GC: Hello, everyone! We're here for another videocast, and Master Gualberto is with us once again. Thank you, Master, for your presence. Master, today I'm going to read an excerpt from a book by Joel Goldsmith called "Living the Infinite Way." In an excerpt from this book, Master, Joel makes the following comment: "Enlightenment dissolves all material bonds and unites men with the golden chains of spiritual understanding." In this excerpt, Joel Goldsmith comments on spiritual comprehension. Can you share your vision of what spiritual life is?
MG: Gilson, there's a great deal of mystification, a lot of misunderstanding. This issue of spiritual life is viewed in a very misguided way. So, first of all, we have to find out the Truth about Life before we can even touch on the question of a spiritual life. We don't know the Truth about Life. What we know as life is not Real Life. It is a centered, grounded life, grounded in an illusory pattern of behavior-of actions, behaviors, interactions, interacting with life of human relations and relations with what happens-where the misunderstanding of a personal life is present.
There is no such thing as a personal life in Life; that is a misunderstanding. This is the vision we have of life, it is the vision from thought. It is thought that gives us the model, the form, the formula of what life is. Thus, we live in a mental life, a life idealized by concepts, beliefs, judgments, opinions, ideas! Therefore, to know the Truth about spiritual life, we need to comprehend the Truth about Life. The Truth about Life is the naturalness of Life, free from illusion, free from thought, and this Life is Divine Life, it is Real Life, it is Spiritual Life.
The thing is, in general, when we use the expression "spiritual life," we are projecting a life of someone, a person's life, their spiritual life. This is an illusion! Here lies mystification, a mistaken vision, an erroneous view of the Truth about Life. Thus, we have all kinds of fantasies, ideas, and suggestions from thought about what "divine life" is, someone's "divine life," or a person's "divine life."
When there is Real Life, the presence of Real Life? Real Life is present when the illusion of a person is no longer there, when the idea of ??someone present, separating themselves from Life, no longer exists. Every feeling, emotion, sensation, form of perception, and thought, within a principle of image-something that thought has constructed within us-is the vision of an illusory life, the vision of a life in dream, in a sleep of unconsciousness, where the consciousness present in the person is egoic consciousness, the consciousness of the "I."
There is no real life in the ego; what is present is a movement of thought, sustained and maintaining permanence due to the presence of a time it has established, constructed. This is how person's life is. All information you have, for example, is acquired knowledge, acquired over time. Thus, as you go through experiences in the past, those experiences become, for you, knowledge-they are now a memory.
They are a memory present in the brain, in the mind. Thought says it is a memory of yours, placing an entity present in the memory. This entity is the "I," it is the sense of a person-a person who separates themselves from the other person, a person who separates themselves from life, a person who is speaking of spirituality. What can a person say about spirituality? What they know! But what is a person? They are the result of thought, a set of memories, of remembrances. This is the sense of "I."
This will never be real, and therefore, when they use the expression "spiritual" or "spirituality" here, they don't really know what we are talking about. All thought can do is give these expressions a meaning it recognizes and that, therefore, is still part of itself. Every spiritual idea is a thought about this.
Divine Reality is spiritual Reality, but it is not in the known, it is not in thought; it is something unattainable by the mind. Every kind of description we have heard, everything spoken in the name of spirituality, the use of expressions and language-which portray only thoughts-is merely a way of imagining things, of constructing an imagination about That which is real, about That which is spiritual.
Therefore, the Truth of Divine Life is Life free from separation, free from duality. Duality is the presence of the "I" and the "non-I": I, the world, life, and God. It is thought that separates, it is thought that divides, it is thought that creates this suggestion. When this ends, yes, we are faced with Life, Real Life, but Real Life is not a life of someone, it is not the life of the person.
The true comprehension of natural Life, which is Life free from ego, which is the Truth of your Being, which is you in your Natural State, free from suffering, free from problems, free from the sense of separation, is the Spiritual Life. Therefore, natural Life, which is Life free from ego, is unknown to us. This is Spiritual Life! It is not someone who is spiritual, it is not someone who has become spiritualized.
The pattern of seeking spirituality arises from the idea of ??the future and fulfillment in the future, for someone. There is no such someone, no such future, no such fulfillment. True realization is now, and it is not realization for someone. It is when the illusion of the "I" is no longer there, it is when the illusion of time-the notion we have of past, present, and future, from a psychological point of view-when this is no longer there, there is the Truth of the Awakening of Consciousness, of Spiritual Enlightenment, of That which is real, but there is no longer a sense of "I," there is no longer a sense of ego. This is the Truth of spirituality, this is the Truth of Spiritual Life.
GC: Master, we have a question from a subscriber here on the channel who makes the following comment: "Master, I've always associated spiritual life with something that happens in church or at a spiritualist center, but I feel something is missing. How can I live this spirituality in a more integrated and personal way in my daily life?"
MG: In your question, here once again we face the misconception, the idea, the suggestion of the thought that someone can live this spirituality in their daily lives. There is no one to live this spirituality in their daily lives. The Truth of Life is here and now. It is not for someone; it is already present, and there is no such someone.
You ask: "How can I live it?" So, the idea is of someone, of someone living. The investigation of the nature of the "I," self-inquiry, shows you the truth that the "I" is not real. The idea of ??someone present is just a thought, something given to us by culture-the concept of someone's existence, of someone to be good, of someone who must stay with the positive side and not the negative, of someone who must find the truth and move away from illusion, of someone who must live in integrity, of someone who must live spirituality.
There is no such someone! This someone is an idea constructed by thought. It is when there is the Truth about this that we have the Reality of Life, where you, in your True Nature, are spiritual Life itself. This notion of time, like everyday life, disappears. Yes, we have days, weeks, months, and years, from a chronological point of view, but there is no such person present in everyday life.
It is the Reality of Life, without any separation between you and Life as It happens. Therefore, there is no conflict, because there is no separation. There is no longer the notion of a positive life, a fulfilling life, a spiritual life, in contrast to a negative, unfulfilled, problematic, or unhappy life.
You, in your Natural Divine State, in your Natural State of Being, are Love, Bliss, and Happiness. And this is present here; not in everyday life, it is present here and now. It is something present as the Truth of God, present as Life itself, present as the Nature of your Being. There is no separation.
Thus, the other, your family, your children, the world, everything around you is within a single context: this context is Divine Life, it is Real Life. Where there is no longer a separation created by thought, sustained by illusion, of a projection of psychological time where there is, constantly, the desire to obtain things and the desire to get rid of other things. The presence of fear is the intention to get rid of.
When your question is "How do I free myself?", "How do I overcome?", "How to overcome fear?", you see: we are still within a movement of mental time, of psychological time, of desire. This disappears when real Life is present. When the mind becomes silent, still, Divine Reality reveals itself-there is no more dream, no more sleep, no more ignorance. It is the Presence of Truth, it is the Presence of Love, it is the Presence of God.
The Reality of Life, of your Life, is this! But when we are living in thought, the movement of thought is sustaining a particular life that is not real, and we are fighting against it, idealizing and projecting something different.
Here, we need to look, perceive, investigate-because the awareness of illusion is the end of illusion, the awareness of ignorance is the end of ignorance. Therefore, Divine Reality is here and now.
GC: Master, we have another question from another subscriber here on the channel. Bruno asked the following question: "Master, is there evolution on this spiritual journey?"
MG: Gilson, that's another false notion, another mistaken notion. We've seen a child become a teenager, then a young person, then an adult, then they get married and have children; their children also have children, and now they're a grandfather. So, we see this process of evolution all around us all the time.
We've seen a seed become a plant, which then turned into a tree. When we look at nature, at life around us, at the environment, we see this. This happens in nature, things evolve; it happens in medical science, science has been evolving; it has happened in technology. So, technologically, scientifically, biologically, the presence of evolution is undeniable - it's in everything!
But here we have to investigate the psychological truth - psychologically, there is no such thing; there is no such thing as psychological evolution. An internal, psychic state does not evolve into something else. You cannot transform an internal, psychological state into something else.
A state of feeling, emotion, and sensation like joy is joy; it doesn't change! A state of feeling, emotion, and sensation like sadness doesn't evolve! Sadness doesn't evolve into joy, nor does joy evolve into sadness.
A feeling, emotion, or sensation of envy doesn't evolve into jealousy. Jealousy is jealousy, envy is envy, sadness is sadness, and joy is joy. Psychologically, there is no such thing as change. Hate is hate, anger is anger, fear is fear. Thus, we have a mistaken view of this internal, psychological issue.
Here, we need to discover the Truth of the end of the internal psychological condition, not of the evolution of this condition. We cannot alter or change it, but we can become aware. And when we are aware of what is present here-because we have the presence of attention on this state of feeling, emotion, and sensation-something new happens.
This something new is not a change from one state to another, but rather the end of this psychological condition of identity present in the experience of sensation, of emotion. We need to investigate the nature of the "I," the nature of the ego, the nature of the person. It is direct understanding, the direct observation of what it represents, the end for it; because we are dealing with a psychological condition, which is being sustained by thought. It is also the structure behind sensation, feeling.
The end of the psychological condition of the "I," of the ego, is the end of illusion. Thus, the idea of ??spiritual evolution is not real. That which is not, is not, period. It is thought that projects the "becoming," the achieving, the getting there psychologically.
Therefore, the idea of ??psychological evolution, of spiritual evolution, is the imagination of thought. It is thought that projects the idea of ??someone, of a person, of an ego-identity improving, evolving, growing until it becomes spiritual. Here, the realization of the truth of the "I," of the ego, is the end of the ego.
Therefore, That which is already present, which is this real Consciousness, is not in the psychic sphere, not in this psychological dimension to evolve. What we need, rather, is the end of the psychological sphere, the psychological dimension, the psychological condition of the "I," of the ego, this illusory identity.
So, we have here and now the revelation of That which is Real, of That which is spiritual. You, in your Essential Nature, do not evolve. The idea of ??evolution is the idea of ??a change in time. This change in time requires the presence of the psychological continuity of the "I" itself, of the ego itself.
The presence of the "I," the presence of the ego, the psychological condition present in each of us, is the presence of a mental conditioning-something sustained by thought, something that arose in time and that also has its continuity in time. As we go through experiences in the past, this is transformed into knowledge and experiences, and this is what forms this "I."
But when psychological memory, the continuity of thought ends, there comes the end of time. And when time ends, That which is real, which is outside of time, reveals itself.
Only that which is within time evolves, not That which is beyond time, beyond the known, beyond the mind. Thus, the Reality of your Being is the Reality of God. Therefore, it is not about evolution, about growth. It is about the Awareness of Truth; here it is about the end of illusion, the illusion of the "I," the illusion of the mind, the illusion of time.
GC: Thank you, Master, our time is already up. Thank you for this videocast. And for those of you who are watching the video to the end and truly desire to live these truths, we invite you to participate in the meetings that Master Gualberto offers. These are intensive weekend meetings, available online, in-person, and also multi-day retreats.
These meetings are much more profound than these videos here on YouTube. First, because the Master answers our questions live, and second, and more impactful, is that, because the Master already lives in this Awakened State of Consciousness, He shares this State of Presence with those around you, which is a field of Energy, Power, and Grace.
And in these meetings, we end up being carried by Master's energy. And by being carried by the Master, we end up, naturally and spontaneously, entering the meditative state, silencing our minds. This self-inquiry ends up being much easier.
So, here's the invitation. In the first pinned comment, there's the WhatsApp link to participate in these meetings. And go ahead, like the video and subscribe to the channel.
And, Master, once again, thank you for the videocast.