Some have the aptness with words, others do not, but that is something irrelevant in a meeting like this. In a conference room, someone who has speaking skills is important, because it is a room for explanation of ideas, concepts. What makes a meeting like this one here so distinctive is precisely no need for words.
Here, we are working on something other than speech, and if you can understand it is not the words that matter here but the Direct Vision, that is it! The work is done! These meetings resemble a bell, like the old ones from Gothic churches. You maybe find this kind of church bell in many churches, because it has always been a tradition for church to have an enormous bell ringing, indicating that something was going to happen. Thus, these meetings are like bells pointing out something. When you hear a church bell, you don't try to understand what it is saying, but what it is indicating. A ringing bell is not saying anything, but it might be pointing out something.
So, these speeches are like one of those enormous church bells ringing and pointing out something to you. The difficulty while listening is when you try to understand it. Here, you can find out What this sound is pointing out, but you cannot understand it. They are distinguished things, very different. This matter here is not for understanding. You may read a lot, hear a lot of speeches about this matter and keep just understanding it without realizing what it is indicating. It is like listening to the sound of the church bell and do not comprehend that it is not about understanding but of perceiving that this sound is pointing out something.
Wisdom is something like that. You do not learn about This. You Awake to This or not. Many people have a brilliant intellect, but it is useless here because there is no need for a great potential in understanding words, a skill to understand them very well, to keep the information, nothing like that. Before even trying to understand it – and here already goes the first indication of this “church bell” – You are already the Truth. You are That what you are looking for, what you are trying to find. This is already What You are!
The intellectual, conceptual, mental look only distances you from this Direct Vision. It is to this “Place” that we are pointing. What you can have is a deeper realization of this Direct Perception. It is not broader knowledge, a greater understanding but a more profound, more direct Perception. In the beginning, this is quite conceptual, theoretical, and verbal, because you get stuck only to the talk, to the words, trying to decipher something. That is the reason why you read, hear, and keep the words, but later on, this loses its importance. In the beginning, for many, it is quite conceptual.
Here, it is about the Awakening of Intelligence and not of intellectual apparatus. Intellectuality and Intelligence are very different things. Intellectual understanding, comprehension, and Wisdom are totally different things. So, the foremost thing here is: You Are What you look for, What you seek. You Are that Presence, that Consciousness. So, take a simple and straightforward approach to that. Understanding is something can be present or not, but this Consciousness is not something like that. Consciousness is something that is here and now, always present, and there is no way you can change that.
So, here we go! When we talk about the body and the mind, we are talking about an image that thought creates. The word “body” is just a thought about a collection of sensory perceptions, and we take the ideas about those perceptions as something present in that body. Thus, when we talk about “body” and “mind,” we are dealing with a collection of transitory perceptions, of labels, that is, we are labeling a mechanism of perception. The idea of being present in the body, of being someone in the body is a belief. You believe you are someone making choices, having personal thoughts, feelings, and perceptions. This is not real, because it is a transitory thing.
The Real is this Consciousness aware of this process. This experience of the body and the mind is just a transitory experience. It comes and goes. You are here to have this Direct Vision – not the intellectual understanding – of this Consciousness, which is your True Identity, which is not the body or the mind.
Are you with me or is it kind of confusing?
I am saying that “body” and “mind” just represent a transitory process of experience. Consciousness is That which is aware of this process. Consciousness is Real, while this transient process has no real identity. In other words, there is nobody there present in this “body-mind” experience.
So, I am pointing it out, the church bell is ringing. I am pointing out the possibility of this Direct Vision without the intermediation of intellect, without the understanding of words. I have called This as Meditation, which is this Seeing Directly, without these implications of the explanations of the intellect, and realizing that “body” and “mind” are labels for this mechanism of experience. So, the purpose is to recognize your Essential Nature, your Fundamental Nature. Body comes and goes. Mind comes and goes. Life’s experiences are changing, getting names and labels.
A very common thing is also the desire to get rid of the mind. This is another trap of the own mind, because it would be like the desire to get rid of the body. The “body-mind” is just a transitory process. You do not need to get rid of anything, of any experience. You only need to be Conscious of your Essential Nature, Fundamental One. In this way, you notice that this body and mind movement is just a mechanism receiving labels of experiences. The acknowledgment of your Divine Nature, which is your Fundamental Nature, is the Direct Vision that mind comes and goes, that body comes and goes, experiences appear and disappear, are transitory, with names and labels, but You continue being this Presence of Pure Consciousness, which is, all the time, aware of this movement of the body, of the mind and everything else.
So, it is not a matter of overcoming the mind, of destroying it, for it would be like putting an end to the body. This is not about mind or body. Here, it is just about this real clarification about your True Identity, present and constant.
This is so beautiful! Your Being is not in the future in a way that you could reach It through intellectual understanding. Your Essential Nature will not be realized tomorrow. You are already That, here and now! That Presence, that Consciousness You already Are here and now is Everything! I have replaced the word Consciousness with Existence, Presence, Truth, God… The fact is that you do not have to do anything about it. This talk is not to lead you to Direct Knowledge, because it cannot do that. This “church bell” is pointing out the possibility of this Direct Vision, which is not an understanding or knowledge about It. This non-conceptual Truth is already present. Listen to this very clearly!
My emphasis is on the importance of True Meditation. It is what I have been indicating in these talks, what I have addressed in different words. Do not push This into the future or, in other words, do not imagine that This is no longer present! Meditation is the Direct Vision, an Immediate Vision. What you are looking for, seeking, is already here, so it is not about seeking. That is why you need to find out what Meditation is here and now, because, otherwise, you will always keep looking for what you have never lost.
Who will be in this seeking movement? It will be this very transitory repetitive process, this false entity, this eternal seeker who does not have an identity, a specific real true center. This false identity is this process of the construction of imagination, all the time.
For this process, which is the false “me,” Truth, which is simple yet subtle, seems very distant, inaccessible, difficult, because there is no answer for This in the mind. And why? Because You are prior to the mind, to this process. Can you truly put your heart on This? How is it? When you get in touch with This, can you sleep and wake up truly “burning” for This?
Here, we are working on something other than speech, and if you can understand it is not the words that matter here but the Direct Vision, that is it! The work is done! These meetings resemble a bell, like the old ones from Gothic churches. You maybe find this kind of church bell in many churches, because it has always been a tradition for church to have an enormous bell ringing, indicating that something was going to happen. Thus, these meetings are like bells pointing out something. When you hear a church bell, you don't try to understand what it is saying, but what it is indicating. A ringing bell is not saying anything, but it might be pointing out something.
So, these speeches are like one of those enormous church bells ringing and pointing out something to you. The difficulty while listening is when you try to understand it. Here, you can find out What this sound is pointing out, but you cannot understand it. They are distinguished things, very different. This matter here is not for understanding. You may read a lot, hear a lot of speeches about this matter and keep just understanding it without realizing what it is indicating. It is like listening to the sound of the church bell and do not comprehend that it is not about understanding but of perceiving that this sound is pointing out something.
Wisdom is something like that. You do not learn about This. You Awake to This or not. Many people have a brilliant intellect, but it is useless here because there is no need for a great potential in understanding words, a skill to understand them very well, to keep the information, nothing like that. Before even trying to understand it – and here already goes the first indication of this “church bell” – You are already the Truth. You are That what you are looking for, what you are trying to find. This is already What You are!
The intellectual, conceptual, mental look only distances you from this Direct Vision. It is to this “Place” that we are pointing. What you can have is a deeper realization of this Direct Perception. It is not broader knowledge, a greater understanding but a more profound, more direct Perception. In the beginning, this is quite conceptual, theoretical, and verbal, because you get stuck only to the talk, to the words, trying to decipher something. That is the reason why you read, hear, and keep the words, but later on, this loses its importance. In the beginning, for many, it is quite conceptual.
Here, it is about the Awakening of Intelligence and not of intellectual apparatus. Intellectuality and Intelligence are very different things. Intellectual understanding, comprehension, and Wisdom are totally different things. So, the foremost thing here is: You Are What you look for, What you seek. You Are that Presence, that Consciousness. So, take a simple and straightforward approach to that. Understanding is something can be present or not, but this Consciousness is not something like that. Consciousness is something that is here and now, always present, and there is no way you can change that.
So, here we go! When we talk about the body and the mind, we are talking about an image that thought creates. The word “body” is just a thought about a collection of sensory perceptions, and we take the ideas about those perceptions as something present in that body. Thus, when we talk about “body” and “mind,” we are dealing with a collection of transitory perceptions, of labels, that is, we are labeling a mechanism of perception. The idea of being present in the body, of being someone in the body is a belief. You believe you are someone making choices, having personal thoughts, feelings, and perceptions. This is not real, because it is a transitory thing.
The Real is this Consciousness aware of this process. This experience of the body and the mind is just a transitory experience. It comes and goes. You are here to have this Direct Vision – not the intellectual understanding – of this Consciousness, which is your True Identity, which is not the body or the mind.
Are you with me or is it kind of confusing?
I am saying that “body” and “mind” just represent a transitory process of experience. Consciousness is That which is aware of this process. Consciousness is Real, while this transient process has no real identity. In other words, there is nobody there present in this “body-mind” experience.
So, I am pointing it out, the church bell is ringing. I am pointing out the possibility of this Direct Vision without the intermediation of intellect, without the understanding of words. I have called This as Meditation, which is this Seeing Directly, without these implications of the explanations of the intellect, and realizing that “body” and “mind” are labels for this mechanism of experience. So, the purpose is to recognize your Essential Nature, your Fundamental Nature. Body comes and goes. Mind comes and goes. Life’s experiences are changing, getting names and labels.
A very common thing is also the desire to get rid of the mind. This is another trap of the own mind, because it would be like the desire to get rid of the body. The “body-mind” is just a transitory process. You do not need to get rid of anything, of any experience. You only need to be Conscious of your Essential Nature, Fundamental One. In this way, you notice that this body and mind movement is just a mechanism receiving labels of experiences. The acknowledgment of your Divine Nature, which is your Fundamental Nature, is the Direct Vision that mind comes and goes, that body comes and goes, experiences appear and disappear, are transitory, with names and labels, but You continue being this Presence of Pure Consciousness, which is, all the time, aware of this movement of the body, of the mind and everything else.
So, it is not a matter of overcoming the mind, of destroying it, for it would be like putting an end to the body. This is not about mind or body. Here, it is just about this real clarification about your True Identity, present and constant.
This is so beautiful! Your Being is not in the future in a way that you could reach It through intellectual understanding. Your Essential Nature will not be realized tomorrow. You are already That, here and now! That Presence, that Consciousness You already Are here and now is Everything! I have replaced the word Consciousness with Existence, Presence, Truth, God… The fact is that you do not have to do anything about it. This talk is not to lead you to Direct Knowledge, because it cannot do that. This “church bell” is pointing out the possibility of this Direct Vision, which is not an understanding or knowledge about It. This non-conceptual Truth is already present. Listen to this very clearly!
My emphasis is on the importance of True Meditation. It is what I have been indicating in these talks, what I have addressed in different words. Do not push This into the future or, in other words, do not imagine that This is no longer present! Meditation is the Direct Vision, an Immediate Vision. What you are looking for, seeking, is already here, so it is not about seeking. That is why you need to find out what Meditation is here and now, because, otherwise, you will always keep looking for what you have never lost.
Who will be in this seeking movement? It will be this very transitory repetitive process, this false entity, this eternal seeker who does not have an identity, a specific real true center. This false identity is this process of the construction of imagination, all the time.
For this process, which is the false “me,” Truth, which is simple yet subtle, seems very distant, inaccessible, difficult, because there is no answer for This in the mind. And why? Because You are prior to the mind, to this process. Can you truly put your heart on This? How is it? When you get in touch with This, can you sleep and wake up truly “burning” for This?
*Online meeting transcription, originally held on April 15th, 2020 - First published in Portuguese on June 15th, 2020. For further information about the meetings, click here.
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