April 17, 2025

Joel Goldsmith | Living between two worlds | The observer and the observed | Marcos Gualberto

GC: Hello, everyone! We are here for another videocast. Once again, Master Gualberto is here with us. Thank you, Master, for being here.

Today, I am going to read an excerpt from Joel Goldsmith's book called Living Between Two Worlds. In an excerpt from this book, Master, Joel makes the following comment: "Little by little, we discover ourselves living as observers, watching God living his life as us." On this subject of observing, can the Master share his vision of the observer and the observed thing?

MG: Gilson, here we come across a psychological aspect present in us, of which we are not aware. We never pay attention to it, we never look closely, we never get close to it: the simple fact that, when you are overwhelmed, for example, with worries, there is no separation between you who are worried and the worry happening. There is no separation there. Now, why do we not realize this? Because we insistently have the idea, the belief, that we have to get rid of worry. The belief is that we are "someone worried." So, there is worry and there is "someone;" that is our belief.

When there are, for example, thoughts happening there, our belief, your belief, is that you are the thinker and thought is an element separate from you. See, that is a mistake! What we have present, when thought is present, is thought. There is no separation between this thinker and thought, just as there is no separation between this worry and this worried person. So, this is something that requires you to learn to look at reactions to realize that this separation does not exist. Since we never look at this, we never free ourselves from worry definitively.

We always have one or another form of worry in our lives and we do not know how to deal with worry, because we do not know how to deal with this element that sees itself separate from worry, which is the worried one, which is this "me," this "I." There is no separation, Gilson, between the thinker and thought, just as there is no separation between worry and the worried one. This is a belief that we have. When you are sad, there is no one sad, we have the presence of sadness, but we have the illusion that we are sad, we feed this illusion. So, there is this "I" and sadness, as if we were faced with two separate phenomena, two separate things, two situations. There are not two situations, there aren't two things, there aren't two phenomena. There is a single phenomenon, and this phenomenon is sadness, and this phenomenon is thought, and this phenomenon is worry, because there is no such separation. This is a belief!

Can we discover the truth about this? Can we realize that it is thought, thought itself, that creates the idea of a thinker behind it? Can we realize that worry itself, through this force of habit in us, gives us the idea of someone worried? See, all of this is just a game of thought. Thought creates the thinker, thought creates this worried one, the thought of sadness creates this sad one, this "person." This is what we are here with you, exploring, investigating, realizing: the comprehension that there is no such thing as this separation. This puts an end to worry, this puts an end to thought, this puts an end to sadness.

It is because we are conditioned by this old model of seeing ourselves present in life, that is, within the experience of life, as an element separate from it, to deal with situations. So, we are always imposing a belief on this experience of this moment, and this belief is the belief of this experiencer separate from experience. It is this duality that sustains in our lives the psychological condition of not understanding Life as It happens. This lack of comprehension is ignorance, and if ignorance is present, there is the presence of problem, of confusion, of suffering, of sadness, of worry, of fear, of this psychological restlessness that thought produces. All of this is due to this lack of understanding that thought is the thinker itself, that sadness is the sad one itself, the understanding that fear is not separate from the fearful one. Discovering this is eliminating this duality and, therefore, the problems involved in this ignorance, within this illusion.

Working towards the Truth of revelation about all this requires this look without separation, just looking without separation. This type of attitude that we have, that we have had for millennia, puts us in a condition where we believe that we need to change situations, puts us in a situation where we believe we can change situations. Note, life happens as a great existential phenomenon. This "sense of someone" who sees themselves separate from life to monitor, control, adjust, resolve, do something with life, this is sustaining in us the illusion of this ego, of this "I," of this "me."

Thus, we do not know how to deal with Life as it happens, because we believe we can deal with it as a separate element. It is as if we were to watch a movie and believe we can get involved with the events and happenings within this movie, because we see ourselves as an integral part of the movie, with the power to command, control, and act within the film. The truth is that, when watching a film, you are just a spectator, but this spectator transcends this duality, transcends this idea of observer and observed thing, of thinker and thought, of someone in feeling and the feeling. So, everything that happens within this film is happening within the film, there is no element capable of getting involved with what happens in the film.

This awareness of looking without the observer, of listening without this element in hearing, of perceiving without this element in perception, is the end of this duality, it is the end of this attempt to change, alter, adjust, fix, evaluate, judge, like or dislike what happens. This is the end of the "I." So, there is the beginning of a vision free from this model of ego-identity; it is when we approach the awareness of Meditation, which gives us this view free of the person, free from this notion of time and space.

See, we are presenting something here, to you, that requires a very direct, very real approach to this subject, to demonstrate in a practical way what we are presenting. We cannot stay here in abstraction, in theory. We have to get closer and learn to look, to listen, to perceive in this way. That is why here, on the channel, we are working with you on this approach, so that, in this life, [you can have] this Awareness of God, this Awareness of Awakening, of Divine Realization.

GC: Master, we have a question from a subscriber here on the channel, Daniel, exactly about this topic of observation. He makes the following comment and asks: "Master Gualberto, how can we observe without the observer? Doesn't the act of observing depend on someone observing?"

MG: Gilson, here the question is: "Doesn't this observation require the presence of the observer?" See, observing requires looking. Observing requires observing, it does not require the presence of an element to evaluate, judge, compare, accept, reject, name, classify what is observed. See, this observing does not necessarily require the observer. This observer is the element that appears to say, "this is ugly," "this is beautiful," "I like it," "I don't like it" . This is the element present in us, this observer, who judges, classifies, names the experience.

We are always, Gilson, faced with Life as It happens, only as It happens. So, we are faced with what are facts in Life, evidence in Life, events in Life, but our approach, in general, is the approach of someone who gives his opinion, has ideas, has conclusions, has beliefs. Thus, our opinions, conclusions, beliefs and ideas. These are within this observer.

So, notice, this is how we, mistakenly, approach life: from the observer. This is a mistake! Because this idea of someone present as an observer is putting us in a condition where we do not realize that this observer, what it is seeing, is actually part of itself. It is the one who is evaluating, judging, comparing, so this judgment, evaluation and comparison are part of itself. We are not faced with the Reality of That which is, in this way; we are faced with a concept, a belief, an opinion, a conclusion, a judgment.

So, it is important that we learn, it is fundamental that we learn to look without the observer, because that is when we are in contact with Life as It happens. It is the Vision, Gilson, of Truth, that liberates, and we do not have the Vision of Truth when the look is from the one who observes, which is the "I," which is the ego, which is the observer.

Why do we not know how to deal with thoughts? Because we do not know how to just look. We always put someone involved in thought, with thought, for thought. By doing this, we are placing the presence of the observer, which is the presence of the thinker, which is the presence of this "I." A simple example of this is when you look at your wife. You don't see her as she is, you see her as you believe she is. You see her from the perspective of the thought you have of her. This is the mistaken view of the observer, this is the mistaken view of the "I", of the ego. And we are constantly living like this within our relationships, with our husband, with friends, with people, with ourselves, with what happens in life, because we constantly live in this illusion of the "I," in this illusion of this observer, of this ego, of this element that appears within experience to correct, fix, give opinions, try to change. This produces confusion, it produces disorder and suffering! This is the life of the ego. I hope this is becoming clear to you.

Our mental conditioning is to look at life from this window, which is the window of the observer. And here we are telling you that there is no such thing as the need for this window. There is a way to look at life without this window, and to look at life without this window is to look at the other without the "I," it is to deal with life without the "I," it is to deal with the moment without the "I." So, the ego does not enter, because the observer does not enter, this disfigurement created by the thought of the observer does not appear. So, there is the end of comparison, the end of evaluation, the end of this egoic sense. So, there is the end of this sense of "I," which involves thought, feeling, emotion, and everything else. We are in contact with Life from the viewpoint of what It is, and not from this concept or belief of how It should be, because we are dealing with evidence, with facts, with what happens.

So, addressing the answer here clearly for you: this act of observing does not require the presence of the observer. Now, the act of judging, evaluating, comparing, liking, disliking, yes, this requires the presence of the observer. But this act of observing is a new act when the "I" is not there, when the ego is not there, when the observer is not there. It is when, in fact, in this observation, you are dealing with life, with the other, with yourself, without this illusion of this self-image, this illusory center.

We have, on the channel, several videos about these subjects here: the subject of self-image, this mistaken view of the ego, which is the view of the observer, this subject of this look without the observer... These are playlists that we have here. We can delve deeper into this, become aware of it and realize the Truth that this observer does not exist. It is the element that is appearing, creating confusion, disorder and suffering in our lives; creating, in fact, this particular life of the ego, this life of the "I."

GC: Master, we have another question, from another subscriber here on the channel. Vanderli asks the following question: "How can I dominate my ego?"

MG: Notice how we formulate our questions. "How can I dominate the ego?" Our idea is that there is a separation between this "I" and the ego. I have seen people use the expression "I" as this "I Am," this "Higher Self." The idea is that there is a separation between this "I" and the ego. Is this real? When you ask, "How can I dominate the ego?", is there any separation between the one who dominates and the one who is dominated, the one who controls and the one who is controlled? As we have just stated here, in the video itself, is there a separation between this observer and the observed thing, or are we dealing with a single phenomenon? So, when we talk about dominating the ego, who is this element that wants to dominate the ego? Is there a separation between this element and the ego? Is there a separation between the one who sees and what he is seeing? When you are upset, is there a separation between you and the upset? Or angry? When you are upset, is there a separation between the upset and you?

Observe this calmly. At the moment of anger, is there a separation between you and the anger? Or is it only a few minutes after the anger subsides that the thought arises talking about someone being angry? Notice, when there is anger, it is only anger. When there is fear, at that moment of fear... isn't it only when the fear subsides that you realize that you are afraid? Because when fear is present, it is fear; there is no separation between fear and you. You are fear! When there is anger, it is only anger present; when there is sadness, there is no one there saying, "I am sad." When you start saying "I am sad," you are no longer sad! This separation has already occurred! This separation is something that thought is producing, just like this idea of controlling anger, of controlling fear. We have the idea of controlling the ego, of getting rid of the ego, of dominating the ego. All of this is within this mistaken movement, which is this illusion between the observer and the thing observed. There is no such separation, there is no such division.

I recommend that you take a look at the channel here on this subject. These different playlists that we have here deal with and address this issue of the end of this illusion of separation and, of course, the end of this illusion of "I." And why do we use the expression "illusion of 'I'"? Because we are not dealing with a reality that is separate from illusion. This "I" is an illusion itself. As long as there is illusion, there will be this sense of "I." There is no separation here either; the presence of illusion is the presence of "I." However, this reality of "I" is an illusion. You see, this reality of "I" is an illusion, because this "I" is made up of beliefs, opinions, judgments, evaluations, a set of conditioning of thought, feeling, and action. When there is the end of this conditioning, there is the end of this illusion; that is the end of "I."

So, a work becomes necessary and essential. We have to investigate the truth about who we are, to go beyond this illusion. That is what we are proposing to you here, on this channel.

GC: Thank you, Master, our time has ended. Thank you for this videocast.

And for those of you who are watching the videocast until the end, I would like to leave you with an invitation: if you have a real and sincere yearning to delve deeper into these truths, here in the first comment, pinned, is the WhatsApp link to join the group and participate in the meetings that Master Gualberto offers. These are intensive weekend meetings. There are online, in-person and also retreats. In these meetings, which are much more deeper than any video here on YouTube, Master Gualberto answers our questions directly live. And, in addition - and mainly -, the Master, because he already lives in this Awakened State of Consciousness, shares this State of Presence; and in this sharing, there is a Power, an Energy and Grace that help us a lot in this self-investigation, because we end up taking a ride on this Energy. So, in the first comment, pinned, there is the link to participating in these meetings.

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And, once again, Master, thank you for the videocast.

January, 2025
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