Participant:
Reading
the transcriptions on the blog, I saw that in one of them you explain
that untill 6 months, 1 year, 2 years old, we are still "in
consciousness." Then, the process of identification begins,
after that in some people enlightenment happens. Could you comment
about this whole process and say what our nature is. Is it about the
consciousness in early childhood or from enlightenment?
Master
Gualberto: You
did not understand it very well. This identification gets clearer
after this age, but this unconsciousness is already there before
that.
Participant:
Is
unconsciousness already present since the beginning of birth?
Master:
Everyone
is born asleep. This work is a work that indicates the importance of
Awakening. Before that, all that prevails is sleep. The sleep is the
unconsciousness that is clearly shown on that identification human
being has got with the imagination.
Imagination
is the shape that thought takes. And thought is assuming all the time
this shape in which this so-called human being identifies with. Here,
identification means being confused, getting lost in it.
This
is the ordinary state, the common state, the known state. It is the
mind in its own movement. All of our interest in these meetings is to
deal with you about this great and important task of going beyond
that imagination. Beyond that cluttered, chaotic, insane and
miserable movement, deeply disturbed, which is the movement of
thought.
You
are born this way, and from a certain age, it gets much more
explicit. It becomes increasingly clear. Then, you grow up and it
remains. In fact, for those who are around you, it seems worse. But
it is interesting because it is such worsening that everybody accepts
as something natural, because this is the model, this is the
standard.
All
you can get from society around you is the model of conflict,
suffering and fear. Of course, with a few rare moments of joy and
personal satisfaction, which soon get deteriorated and you are back
again in the same old confusion. This state is a general state of
sleep. In fact, a somnambulistic sleep state, kind of collective
hypnosis. That is what we call unconsciousness.
This
state, which we think it is natural, is only the common state. The
state we take as real, which everyone experiences in the waking
state, is only a form of sleep.
In
this sleep, in this waking state, the mind believes to be lucid and
intelligent, because it can calculate the distance between the earth
and the sun, can build bombs and planes, and can create great
resources by making use of science and technology.
However,
all this, in fact, is happening in this vigil state of
unconsciousness - a vigil of sleep. That is what everyone knows. Your
parents knew it, so did your grandparents, and you once again repeat
the same program, the same model; so do your children. If you have
grandchildren, so they do.
Unless
this sleep is over, unless this vigil sleep in this unconsciousness
is over, the world will continue the same way.
I
am proposing that you free the world from this unconsciousness. You
free the world by leaving this unconsciousness that has produced this
world. At night when you dream, you are in a private and particular
dream. And when you wake up in the morning, you realize that world
was just a dream, where there were all sorts of things going on, with
people and places.
So,
this “your world", in this unconsciousness, in this so-called
vigil world, which is this state of hypnosis, is a completely private
world. You free this world when you abandon it, when you go beyond
that unconsciousness.
In
fact, we are not experiencing others
birth and death. We are in the imagination of the birth and death of
others. We are not experiencing anything except appearances and
disappearances of mere perceptions, which are projections of the mind
itself interpreting what is happening.
So,
these experiences, which appear as appearances and disappearances,
are just perceptions the mind interprets as birth and death of
others, but this Real substance, the essential substance of these
perceptions, does not appear and does not disappear. It is something
always present. It is our own Self. It is the Presence. It is the
Consciousness. Thus, our invitation is to That.
It
is only the thought that conceives all the time a multiplicity, a
diversity of things. And That is always here, now. There is only
That, ever present now. It is not a thing that exists forever. It is
something present now, in the Silence of this State of pure
Consciousness, pure Presence.
What
else can we say about That? We can say That is whether
experiential or a mere theory. As a theory, it is just another
belief.
The
belief does not change anything. It is just another idea in the
intellect field. Therefore, this direct experience is fundamental.
The direct experience is this "Thing."
The
direct experience is the one that does not depend on concepts, ideas,
thoughts and beliefs. It means being beyond all knowledge, which are
concepts, ideas and beliefs.
Our
concepts, ideas and beliefs, which are our knowledge, are knowledge
of the mind. And it is interesting because the knowledge of the mind
and of the body is still thoughts, images, sensations, perceptions,
beliefs, concepts, which still belong to the mind itself.
Participant:
Is this
direct experience present only when “everything is finished”
(complete absence of ego), or can we have glimpses of that?
Master:
You put
this “everything is finished” as something happening in the
future, and I have just said this is something always present at this
time.
This
now or never! Time is just a mental construction; the future is just
a mental construction. Paradoxically, this is still just a concept,
an idea. It is only an imagination too, only a belief.
Relax
about it. Your job is to realize what you can realize right now,
because you only have this moment to realize it.
This
“instant” can be within two minutes, but that is not the future.
It is always this moment. It sounds very paradoxical, but it is like
this. Time is just a mental construction imaged by the thought.
Forget about time.
The
difficulty is when you take these answers and make them a formula,
transforming them into the solution of a question of a test, or into
a mantra.
Today,
one of you wrote me something similar, about a mantra that he/she is
practicing. I never prescribed you affirmations, words to be
repeated, but the mind builds it very quickly.
Everything,
absolutely everything, is now and here. When I speak now, it is not
about the "now," this moment of time, because time is that
construction of thought. I am talking about that ever-present
Presence, Now, that is Consciousness. And That is exactly out of
time, out of this "now" time. What you will do with this
answer, I do not know. Just listen to this and relax.
Well,
let’s stop here. See you next meeting. Namaste!
*Online
meeting transcription, originally held on May 04th, 2016 - First
published in Portuguese on May 13th, 2016 . Online meetings every
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