In Satsang, we are working together on this matter of Realization. Realization is the encounter with the Truth in ourselves. What we call as human mind has proved to be an extraordinary mechanism, but in its movement it carries an aspect that has been producing the state of separateness – Reality and you, God and you, Truth and you.
The mind has this chaotic movement of thoughts, of feelings, of emotions, of perceptions, settled in this false basis, this false “me” that is not you but passing as so. The mind can´t be stopped. You perceive its whole confusion, but you simply can´t stop it, you can´t turn it off nor interrupt the confusion the mind creates in your life. What you name as “your life” is confusion. This way, you can´t stop the thought. This is curious, since the thought can cease, but you can´t stop it. This confusion can be interrupted, but only for Something greater than your desire to do so. All this suffering, all this internal confusion can be interrupted, but not by you.
Putting it in a better way: there can be an interruption, but not caused by you. Thought can cease, but you cannot stop it. Suffering may end, but you cannot put an end to it. Fear can end, but you cannot put an end to it. You are the fear, the confusion, the inner talking, this inner chaotic state, and this "you" is the illusion of the false "me." You are too attached to this movement to be able to interrupt it. You are entangled with that. You are too identified with the thought to be able to interrupt it. You are too identified with the internal confusion to be able to get rid of it, too identified with imagination to be able to interrupt fear.
Your work is to Awake, because all of this is the "sleeping state," but you do not know you are sleeping. This is similar to the moment you are dreaming without realizing you are dreaming. All you seek is Love, Peace, Freedom, Happiness, Truth, but since you have been mistaking yourself for the mind for such a long time, you try to find That inside the mind itself. You must awaken, so Love, Truth, Freedom, Happiness and God can be real there. Since you are "sleeping," "dreaming," you are seeking Peace, Love, Happiness, Freedom, God externally, that is, you are seeking That inside your "dream," in the "sleeping state."
You are pursuing Peace and, simultaneously, producing confusion through the relationships, warding off the very own Peace you are seeking. You want peace, but you do not want Peace. You do not know what Peace is, so you are not able to find It and therefore you keep searching for It externally. That also applies to Freedom, to Happiness, to Love. You do not know what Love is; you know what pleasure is, what fulfillment by affective, emotional and sentimental pleasure is, but this is not Love. That´s why you seek this through relationships and then you want to get married, to have children...
You search for happiness in objects. You believe the more objects you get, the happier you are (in order to have the objects, you need more money; the more money you have, the more objects you have; the more objects, the more comfort; the more comfort, the happier you are). However, comfort is not Happiness and objects do not provide Happiness... Nothing on the outside, absolutely nothing, can provide you That!
Everything on the outside produces pleasure and pain. Love, Peace, Freedom, Happiness, God is inside, not outside. My job is to show you what You Are to yourself, because all you need is only to be alone. Everything you need is already present in What You Are. It is not outside!
So, my whole focus is to show you what Real Meditation is. You need to find out What is present, What is already there... Just find That out! You will not produce That, nor bring That from the outside, but rather will only find That out. My job is to help you to remember how to access this discovery.
As long as there is any form of dependence – and dependence means being attached to the external world the mind produces in its dream, in its fantasy, in its desire to express – you will remain away from yourself, away from your Essential Nature, and there will be no Love, no Peace, no Freedom, no Happiness... There will be no God! All that you were born for is to realize What is already there, but That is not this body, this mind, these objects, places, people, things, nor images; that is, That is absolutely nothing from the outside!
When your Being, your Real Nature, blossoms, everything remains in the same place, but now everything is in a new place. What I am saying is the external world does not need to disappear, but rather the mind’s illusion concerning the external world and its projections towards these externalities, be it people, things, places, objects, sensations, perceptions.
It is like a cake with a topping. Nobody knows what that cake was made of, what kind of cake is underneath that topping, whether it is an orange, carrot or chocolate cake. Actually, we do not even know if it is a cake, because with that topping it could be an unreal cake, something with a very beautiful and quite convincing cover. The mind has been producing this cover over your Real Nature. You do not know what "cake" is there, because you are caught by the topping. Your entire experience called "life" concerns the “topping,” and not the "cake."
So, when you come to me, I say, "This is not real." People get angry at first, it is true. They get furious when I say, "You are a fraud!" I am not saying He or She is not Real, I am saying “he” or "she" is not real; everything one knows about oneself is not real. People live a permanent internal turmoil, an internal noise, a complete internal confrontation – and “internal” means the "topping," the surface.
So, I say there is no way for you to stop that. The mind is that: the confusion, the "topping." This is discouraging... There is no way to stop the mind. But now, there come not so bad news, but good ones: there is no need to stop the mind; it stops! It is possible to break this model, this pattern, to get rid of it, but no action is required from your side. Look how interesting this is! There is an element in yourself able to break with this pattern, but it is not "your effort" in the sense you take this matter about effort. So, you do not need to try to destroy, to stop the mind.
Now we approached the matter of Real Meditation. The problem with traditional meditation, that people know, is how it attempts to make you stop the mind, and you do not have to do that. The mind may even hide itself, but it will not stop; it will return again. You do not need to try to stop the mind, it stops, but you are not the one who makes it to stop. The mind stops by itself when there is room for Consciousness. Give room for Consciousness and the confusion of the mind disappears!
How do you give room for the mind to stop by itself? Attention! Only that. Just be aware of its craziness. Is it crazy or not? You look at its movement and then the dream ends. And this is because you are naturally not identified with its madness, with its inner chatter. It is not about the mind trying to stop the mind, but rather a patient, careful, unhurried observation ... a deep interest in observing. So, confusion ends, and so does the identification with that whole crazy thought you have, because the dream is over, the sleep is over – You awake! When you awake, there is no more mind. Mind is unconsciousness, the dream that happens during sleep because you do not observe the craziness. The crazy one goes together with the craziness, the madness drags the madman, but if there is attention, disidentification, there is no madman, there is no craziness.
What does to be Awaken mean? To be disidentified from the body and the mind. So, there are no beliefs or conditioning patterns about family, culture, politics, religion. You are in your Being, in your Real Nature, that is Intelligence, Love, Truth, Peace, Happiness! You do not seek That; It is revealed to you as your ever-present Nature.
You do not try to control the mind, the desires, the fear, the anxiety and the crazy ego identity, and so all this goes away. Do not try to stop thinking, feeling, desiring, being afraid. Do not try anything of this. Just bring consciousness, observe it. When you observe it, you realize this is not you, but rather a crazy, addictive, repetitive, mechanical, unconscious impulse that comes and drags you. But now you got it, you see it, and, as I use to say, you are weaning yourself off being a wretch. You are turning back to God! In a religious language, you are becoming a saint, ceasing to be a problem.
Your work is to Awake! It is totally your job, but it is not "your" job. It is a Work of the Grace, of the divine Love, of that inner Consciousness, that is the Guru.
The mind has this chaotic movement of thoughts, of feelings, of emotions, of perceptions, settled in this false basis, this false “me” that is not you but passing as so. The mind can´t be stopped. You perceive its whole confusion, but you simply can´t stop it, you can´t turn it off nor interrupt the confusion the mind creates in your life. What you name as “your life” is confusion. This way, you can´t stop the thought. This is curious, since the thought can cease, but you can´t stop it. This confusion can be interrupted, but only for Something greater than your desire to do so. All this suffering, all this internal confusion can be interrupted, but not by you.
Putting it in a better way: there can be an interruption, but not caused by you. Thought can cease, but you cannot stop it. Suffering may end, but you cannot put an end to it. Fear can end, but you cannot put an end to it. You are the fear, the confusion, the inner talking, this inner chaotic state, and this "you" is the illusion of the false "me." You are too attached to this movement to be able to interrupt it. You are entangled with that. You are too identified with the thought to be able to interrupt it. You are too identified with the internal confusion to be able to get rid of it, too identified with imagination to be able to interrupt fear.
Your work is to Awake, because all of this is the "sleeping state," but you do not know you are sleeping. This is similar to the moment you are dreaming without realizing you are dreaming. All you seek is Love, Peace, Freedom, Happiness, Truth, but since you have been mistaking yourself for the mind for such a long time, you try to find That inside the mind itself. You must awaken, so Love, Truth, Freedom, Happiness and God can be real there. Since you are "sleeping," "dreaming," you are seeking Peace, Love, Happiness, Freedom, God externally, that is, you are seeking That inside your "dream," in the "sleeping state."
You are pursuing Peace and, simultaneously, producing confusion through the relationships, warding off the very own Peace you are seeking. You want peace, but you do not want Peace. You do not know what Peace is, so you are not able to find It and therefore you keep searching for It externally. That also applies to Freedom, to Happiness, to Love. You do not know what Love is; you know what pleasure is, what fulfillment by affective, emotional and sentimental pleasure is, but this is not Love. That´s why you seek this through relationships and then you want to get married, to have children...
You search for happiness in objects. You believe the more objects you get, the happier you are (in order to have the objects, you need more money; the more money you have, the more objects you have; the more objects, the more comfort; the more comfort, the happier you are). However, comfort is not Happiness and objects do not provide Happiness... Nothing on the outside, absolutely nothing, can provide you That!
Everything on the outside produces pleasure and pain. Love, Peace, Freedom, Happiness, God is inside, not outside. My job is to show you what You Are to yourself, because all you need is only to be alone. Everything you need is already present in What You Are. It is not outside!
So, my whole focus is to show you what Real Meditation is. You need to find out What is present, What is already there... Just find That out! You will not produce That, nor bring That from the outside, but rather will only find That out. My job is to help you to remember how to access this discovery.
As long as there is any form of dependence – and dependence means being attached to the external world the mind produces in its dream, in its fantasy, in its desire to express – you will remain away from yourself, away from your Essential Nature, and there will be no Love, no Peace, no Freedom, no Happiness... There will be no God! All that you were born for is to realize What is already there, but That is not this body, this mind, these objects, places, people, things, nor images; that is, That is absolutely nothing from the outside!
When your Being, your Real Nature, blossoms, everything remains in the same place, but now everything is in a new place. What I am saying is the external world does not need to disappear, but rather the mind’s illusion concerning the external world and its projections towards these externalities, be it people, things, places, objects, sensations, perceptions.
It is like a cake with a topping. Nobody knows what that cake was made of, what kind of cake is underneath that topping, whether it is an orange, carrot or chocolate cake. Actually, we do not even know if it is a cake, because with that topping it could be an unreal cake, something with a very beautiful and quite convincing cover. The mind has been producing this cover over your Real Nature. You do not know what "cake" is there, because you are caught by the topping. Your entire experience called "life" concerns the “topping,” and not the "cake."
So, when you come to me, I say, "This is not real." People get angry at first, it is true. They get furious when I say, "You are a fraud!" I am not saying He or She is not Real, I am saying “he” or "she" is not real; everything one knows about oneself is not real. People live a permanent internal turmoil, an internal noise, a complete internal confrontation – and “internal” means the "topping," the surface.
So, I say there is no way for you to stop that. The mind is that: the confusion, the "topping." This is discouraging... There is no way to stop the mind. But now, there come not so bad news, but good ones: there is no need to stop the mind; it stops! It is possible to break this model, this pattern, to get rid of it, but no action is required from your side. Look how interesting this is! There is an element in yourself able to break with this pattern, but it is not "your effort" in the sense you take this matter about effort. So, you do not need to try to destroy, to stop the mind.
Now we approached the matter of Real Meditation. The problem with traditional meditation, that people know, is how it attempts to make you stop the mind, and you do not have to do that. The mind may even hide itself, but it will not stop; it will return again. You do not need to try to stop the mind, it stops, but you are not the one who makes it to stop. The mind stops by itself when there is room for Consciousness. Give room for Consciousness and the confusion of the mind disappears!
How do you give room for the mind to stop by itself? Attention! Only that. Just be aware of its craziness. Is it crazy or not? You look at its movement and then the dream ends. And this is because you are naturally not identified with its madness, with its inner chatter. It is not about the mind trying to stop the mind, but rather a patient, careful, unhurried observation ... a deep interest in observing. So, confusion ends, and so does the identification with that whole crazy thought you have, because the dream is over, the sleep is over – You awake! When you awake, there is no more mind. Mind is unconsciousness, the dream that happens during sleep because you do not observe the craziness. The crazy one goes together with the craziness, the madness drags the madman, but if there is attention, disidentification, there is no madman, there is no craziness.
What does to be Awaken mean? To be disidentified from the body and the mind. So, there are no beliefs or conditioning patterns about family, culture, politics, religion. You are in your Being, in your Real Nature, that is Intelligence, Love, Truth, Peace, Happiness! You do not seek That; It is revealed to you as your ever-present Nature.
You do not try to control the mind, the desires, the fear, the anxiety and the crazy ego identity, and so all this goes away. Do not try to stop thinking, feeling, desiring, being afraid. Do not try anything of this. Just bring consciousness, observe it. When you observe it, you realize this is not you, but rather a crazy, addictive, repetitive, mechanical, unconscious impulse that comes and drags you. But now you got it, you see it, and, as I use to say, you are weaning yourself off being a wretch. You are turning back to God! In a religious language, you are becoming a saint, ceasing to be a problem.
Your work is to Awake! It is totally your job, but it is not "your" job. It is a Work of the Grace, of the divine Love, of that inner Consciousness, that is the Guru.
*Presential meeting transcription originally held on April 2018 – First published in Portuguese on June 4, 2018. For further information please click here.
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