GC: Hello everyone! We are here for another videocast. Once again, Master Gualberto is willing to be here with us to answer our questions, answer the comments you make here in our videos and also to bring a deepening and experience of what this Natural State is, this State of Spiritual Enlightenment, and what is the life that Master lives today. Gratitude, Master, for the opportunity to be here again.
Master, I'm going to read an excerpt from the book “Consciousness is what I Am,” by Joel Goldsmith. In an excerpt, Joel Goldsmith says: “The only problem anyone has is ‘I’, and if there were no ‘I’, there would be no problem. The cause of all problems is the personal sense of ‘I’. There is only one mistake in all the world, and that is to maintain a false sense of ‘I’.” So, I would like that Master to make some comments about it.
MG: Very good. The only problem is the illusion of that identity, which is the identity of the “I.” Gilson, the only thing that really matters in this life is this investigation. We have to investigate the nature and structure of this “I,” this “person I am,” this “entity” that I see here, called “I,” this “me,” this “person I believe I am.”
This sense of a present “I,” this sense of identity, is the whole problem of humans. In fact, that’s what makes them have the idea of being someone, someone so-called “human.” The only Reality is the Reality of your Being, and It is definitely not human, not animal, not vegetable, not mineral. It is the Reality of God!
The only problem with us, so-called “human creatures,” as we call ourselves, is that we see ourselves as an entity separate from Reality, which is the Reality of God. That is the basis of all the complication, of all the suffering, all that lack, shortage, egoism, and that sense of duality.
What is this sense of duality? It is the idea that there is this “I” present and the other out there, “the world and I,” “God and I.” This duality is what is holding us within this suffering condition. If there is not this sense of duality, which is this sense of separation between God and “I,” life and “I,” the other and “I,” existence and “I,” there will be no fear.
The problems we have, a good part is based on fear. The human being lives in this condition of fear. It is a subject that we have been exploring and investigating with you within the channel. The condition of humans, in fear, is the condition of this sense of being a human being in this duality. If there’s you and God, if there’s you and the world, if there’s you and life, there’s also you and death, there’s you and disease, there’s you and old age, there’s you and fear. There´s the “me” and what we call the situation, which we see as the cause of fear; and in reality, it is just the illusion of the “I.”
Everything is in the illusion of the “I.” The “I” is fear. The “I” is the illusion of separation, of duality. The “I” is the illusion of life and death, health and illness, new and old. Basically, all the problems of the human being are this idea that we live as a separate entity, and that’s what has to be investigated, and that’s what we do within this work called Satsang. To see the nature and structure of the “I” is to get rid of this illusion, to break with this illusion. This is what we can call Real Awakening of Consciousness or Spiritual Enlightenment.
GC: Master, I want to read a question from a subscriber here on the channel. Maria do Socorro da Silva asked the following: “Dear Master, I would like you to make a video of how we stop rejecting negative emotions and experiences. I think this is the greatest difficulty of all. Please, I'm very thankful.”
MG: Her statement is interesting. She wants a video so that we can explore with her this question about rejecting negative experiences and emotions. And the positives? What do we call rejecting experience? What we have to investigate is the nature of the experiencer, the nature of the one who is in the emotion.
In general, Gilson, we want to get rid of what is harmful to this “me,” to this “I,” to this “person” with which I identify. So, if it’s something good, nice, happy, I want it. If it’s unpleasant, I don't want it. So, I need to get rid of what’s bad for me, but what’s good for me I don't need to get rid of. And here the point is not about what is good or what is bad, here it is not about a pleasant or unpleasant experience, a positive or negative emotion. Here we are dealing with the investigation of the nature of this “me,” this “I.”
The sense of “I,” which is the ego... This is the problem! Gilson, there is no problem other than the presence of this “I” seeing itself in this separation of experience. One sees oneself within the experience as the one who is experiencing, that is, as the experiencer. So, in one’s particular view, there is experience and him. Here lies separation.
A classic example of this and a very strong one, very interesting, is investigating the nature of fear. When you feel fear, the idea is that you are in that feeling. In fact, fear is not separate from this “you.” You see: fear is always in relation to something, and there is, within this model of fear, an identity to feel this experience called “fear.” When there is fear, there is always the experiencer and the experience.
You, for example, are afraid of your wife, you are afraid of employees, you are afraid of the boss, you are afraid of the dark, you are afraid of the past, you are afraid of the future, you are afraid of getting sick... The fears in us are innumerable, and this fear is only present because of an identity in this duality. It is the experiencer of that experience, which it calls fear, and the cause of fear. In fact, this fear is present because of this “I,” and this experience of fear establishes itself as being real for this experiencer precisely because it is present.
We have to investigate the truth about fear and realize the illusion we put into the experience of fear, which is the experiencer’s illusion. This is what gives continuity to the experience of fear. So, we don't have to get rid of or learn to deal with negative emotions without rejecting them, we have to find out who is inside that emotion that we call “negative.” Who is this “I”? We need to understand the nature of experience and see that in that experience there is always an experiencer. When we get closer to the experience and we don't place the experiencer, who is the “I,” that experience is undone.
So, fear is not possible without the fearful, sadness is not possible without the sad one, this negative feeling or experience is not possible without the entity, or the “I,” present, experiencing it, being an experiencer. The Truth of your Being, the Reality of what is shown, apprehends everything, understands everything, without separation. So, there is no room for the experiencer in experience, there is no space for someone in fear, for someone in sadness, for someone in frustration, for someone in violence, and so on.
Here, the point is to get rid of the illusion of the experiencer, the observer, that thinker, the one who is always judging experience and wanting to get rid of it, or wanting to cling to it. That “I” always wants to cling to the good and positive experiences and wants to get rid of the hard, bitter and difficult experiences, and that just continues the illusion of the sense of separation, and, therefore, suffering remains, illusion remains, because the belief of this identity present in experience remains.
What I have been saying, Gilson, about the Truth of Meditation, is that Meditation requires an approach to experience without the experiencer, an approach to thought without the thinker. So, you start to become aware of what is present without placing yourself as an identity present in that doing, in that thinking, in that feeling, in that emotion, in that sensation, in that feeling. That dissolves duality and therefore the sense of separation. That ends conflict, because that’s exactly where conflict is. If there is this presence of experience and we don't call it “fear,” and we don't reject it, and we don't try to escape or run away from the experience, who is left for “fear"? And what happens to this so-called “fear” when there is not the experiencer separating itself, trying to escape, trying to run away, trying to reject?
Gilson, we do not come into contact with experience. We are always trying to escape, to run away, to reject, to fight against, and that sustains the sense of separation, of duality, and that is the present sense of “I.” The annulment of the illusion is in the understanding that this “I” is the one deluded. Without this self-deceiving “I,” there is no illusion, everything is as it is; and without the sense of “I,” there is only this Divine Truth. It assumes forms, It assumes representations, It appears as an experience that arises and vanishes. The sense of “I” is sustaining and creating experiences to live those experiences and sustain its identity in them. If that disappears, many of these so-called “experiences” don't show up, they don't even show up because there’s no one being the basis to sustain them. I don't know if what we're putting is making sense, but that’s it!
GC: Master, this is the True Meditation that you refer to, it is simply “experiencing” without the experiencer. Now, bringing a little of what I've been living, it takes a lot of energy to be in the experience without allowing the automatic process of the mind liking and separating itself in this liking, or rejecting and wanting to run away from the experience, because it is so strong, within that false sense of an “I”, to judge and like something, to separate from it by liking, or wanting to escape when it is bad, so it takes tremendous energy to be in the experience without that experiencer, that is, just experience.
And it’s funny, because in some moments – which are from the past, they don't matter anymore, but when that happens, it’s very funny – when everything simply happens, whatever it is, it’s something that brings lightness. A very different thing from when that “I” is there struggling to escape or struggling to grab, to keep. Could Master talk a little more about it?
MG: So, the point here is always the illusion that you are in the experience. There are things here, Gilson, that we need to approach, investigate, and discover very clearly. One of the things that I think is very important to be mentioned is this question of the relationship we have, for example, with thought. We don't realize that the thought in us is just a memory. Being just a memory, it’s just a memory coming from the past. Right now, here, there is no one producing that thought. That thought is an apparition that is arising here and now, but it is just a past experience that was lived, being remembered here and now. This does not mean the presence of someone producing this thought, this is a functioning of the brain itself. The brain stores images, recollections, and memories, and when faced with a challenge, with something it is faced with, that memory appears by itself.
I'll give you an example: you're walking down the street and you see a dog. At that moment, the one who saw the dog was the brain itself. The very mechanism, the very brain structure became aware of the dog. And in an automatic way, there is a memory association in that brain, so the memory of when you were a child will come up, that you had a dog and that... It will happen automatically. It is a work of reaction of the brain itself, it is it that produces the memory. There is not you in that experience, bringing the story of the past in front of that dog scene, at that moment. It is a mechanical response of the brain structure itself.
So, the thoughts in us, Gilson, are all memory reactions. There is no you being the thinker, producing that thought. But what happens? At that moment, along with that, the belief arises – which is the belief common to everyone, which is the state of hypnotic condition in which we live, of sleep, of unconsciousness about who we are – that we are now having a memory. When that memory arises, it naturally arises with some feelings, some emotions, and, at that moment, you fall into identification, into the illusion of an identity now present in the experience of missing that little dog you had in childhood, and you begin to live this drama internally, which is the drama of the “I.”
So, our life consists of this situation of complete identification with memories, with remembrances, with thoughts, and when this is happening now, there is nothing but the ego in expression. This is total unconsciousness! This is the state of psychological conditioning in which we live. So, we are always reacting to the present moment based on a background of remembrance, of memory, of recollection, and that is absence of Presence, of Consciousness.
This Consciousness, this Presence requires attention to this instant. It is here that this Energy of Presence, of Consciousness, is necessary for a change in that very brain structure, so that this conditioning is undone. I just gave an example here, you can extend this to our life. It’s full of it! We carry guilt, remorse, fear, regret, longing, hatred, anger, lack of love, jealousy, the desire to possess, and the conflict that desires cause, all because of this inattention to this movement, which is simply a movement of memory, of brain habit, of psychological conditioning.
So, Meditation will stop it, break with it, undo it, which is when there comes an end to this illusion of a present identity. When this identity does not enter into this thought experience, which is memory, remembrance, this remembrance does not establish itself as an identity present in it.
So, with that, you are working on yourself, breaking the psychological conditioning. It is when you are facilitating the brain to enter into an entirely new Energy, which is the Energy of Silence, of Stillness, which is Meditation. Only that Stillness, Silence, which is Meditation, reveals something outside of that, which is the model of ego-identity, which is the model of the known.
We cannot access Divine Reality from the “I.” We can observe this movement of the “I,” and when it quiets down, in this Attention that we give ourselves in these moments, when there is this Real Attention to ourselves, this Full Attention, then this Reality that is already present shows itself.
We don't reach God, we don't go to God, we don't realize God, in the sense of someone reaching there. This takes place here and now when the sense of “I” is not. So, your work with Meditation is to discover the Truth that, when there is Meditation, there is no one, there is no meditator, there is no one in effort, doing something. So, This naturally takes over the space that is Its. This Grace, this Presence, this Consciousness, whatever we want to call... It assumes. So, there is a change in the very structure of the brain, in the very brain cells, in the body itself.
Gilson, the truth is that, in this psychological conditioning we live in, the body is addicted to this process of thinking and feeling in a completely mechanical and unconscious way. Meditation, which comes from that observation of the movement of the “I,” which is Self-Awareness – because the only real way for Meditation is in that, is exactly when that happens... When there is this observation of the movement of the “I,” Attention is revealed; and in that Attention, there is a change. So, there is a space for the silence of the mind itself, for the stillness of the mind itself, for the revelation of this Presence, this Consciousness.
Otherwise, we will always continue in this automatism, in this identification, in this somnambulistic state, in this dream state, in this ego identity, living these experiences of thoughts, feelings, sensations, and perceptions, always within this principle of present ego-identity, without any awareness of the reality that there is only God. It is quite like that... It’s important to awaken.
GC: The way the Master brings this is incredible, because, in my example, and I see that this is very common, it is always the ego wanting to seek God and wanting to become spiritual. And the Master brings the exact opposite bias: instead of wanting to look at God, look at yourself, look at the falsehood that you are, at the falsehood of this present “I.” And looking at what is false, as the Master puts, seeing the falsehood, seeing the activity of this “I” at all times, these thoughts, and we, identified with thought, becoming now aware of this, Reality, which is already present, as the Master has just said, reveals itself. But this focus that Master speaks of – we look at the false and know: “This is false” – makes all the difference, because, within the search for God, the ego, with its naughtiness, creates and imagines infinite things. Now, looking inside, looking at envy, looking at fear, looking at desires and seeing the falsehood of it, is an incredible thing; and challenging too.
MG: The point, Gilson, is that we cannot bring the Reality of God, because who is going to bring the Reality of God? Is it the “I”? We cannot deal with the Reality of God from this “I.” That “I” is a fallacy, it is a confusion, it is a turmoil, it is a mess, a disorder. All we can do is become aware of this turmoil, this confusion, and disorder. When we become aware of this, we learn this art of learning to unlearn it all. I've been calling it that. We have to learn to unlearn this model, this pattern of cultural, social, human conditioning, and this is possible in the art of being Consciousness, which is, basically, Meditation.
So, here, it is about seeing the false, just seeing the false. And we have the energy for that, if we stop wasting it in this psychological condition of ego identity. We have energy for it. It is the energy of this Presence in the very structure of the machine. Sages called it Kundalini. It is the energy of that Consciousness, which is already present, but it is asleep, because we are not giving it the space it deserves for it to emerge, for it to awaken. And it awakens when we can look at ourselves and see this illusion of this false “I” and this movement, which is the movement of the conditioned mind. The direct observation, the direct gaze, is enough. Seeing the false already reveals the Truth.
So, it’s not a question of, positively, Gilson, going to God, because you don't go to God, you go to an imagination. People are in search, in an imaginary search, of an idea they have of what they believe to be God. God cannot be an idea and cannot be within an imagination of the “I” itself. God is, of course, a Reality, but He is outside the “I,” and we have no access to Him. It is He who reveals Himself when the “I” is not. So, this is the difference, Gilson: looking at what is happening here and now, becoming aware that there isn't someone, that it’s just a representation of psychological conditioning, brain mechanism, culture pattern, and all that kind of stuff. Becoming aware of this, is enough. Now, does it require energy? Yes, but the energy is already there, we just have to stop the various forms of escape. And we have several means to escape this pain, this envy, this fear, this anger, this desire, and this conflict that desire causes.
We need to work on ourselves, which is what we have in Satsang. In Satsang, there is no space for you to run away, because you are put in front of it every instant, moment by moment. There’s no way you can't see what’s in front of your eyes if it’s shown to you. This is Satsang: facing the direct investigation, unable to escape from yourself. This is a stupendous thing, it is a wonderful thing, because there is an extraordinary presence of Love, of Compassion, in Satsang, which makes you see that pain and go beyond it without running away, without escaping. That’s what happens.
GC: Master, it’s funny how the ego romanticizes this spiritual journey, because, for example, in Joel Goldsmith’s studies, and in the biblical quote “to die daily,” the ego, in its naughtiness, says: “Wow, beautiful thing! I do have to die to that ego in ‘me’, which is to see that illusion.” Now, in Satsang, the Master brings it to life! So, as Master just said, it is a mirror where, inevitably, being in Satsang, remaining in Satsang, we end up being shown. Master puts it right in our face: “Look at the illusion of being someone!” And it’s a tremendous challenge to the ego. The ego does not want real death. It wants to pretend, it wants to evolve, it wants to be the good guy. Now, it doesn't want to die.
And this meeting with Truth, which is Satsang, the meeting with the Master, is something extraordinary, because, in the videocasts, the Master brings a little of the words and everything... Now, in the [meeting] live, online, and even more in the intensive meetings when it is face to face, it is something that is really unique… because it is the Presence, it is the Presence of that Grace, for that Realization that Master… your Master gave you, right, Master? Because there is no longer this “Gualberto.” But it’s something that’s really meant to “be burned,” it’s meant to “die” daily to all that falsehood that is being someone. So, it’s really a Grace.
MG: Gilson, another thing about this is that we have a lot of fantasy about this issue of Awakening. We think it’s something really from another world. It’s not something from another world, it’s just something out of time. That’s it! It’s not out of this world, it’s outside this world. There is no other world! It is a contact with the Divine Reality, which is You in your Being, once you have stripped yourself of all the illusion of this idea of being someone within this experience. And this thing, Gilson, is a work of Presence itself, of Grace itself, but you have to become aware of the illusion about yourself.
Especially because, Gilson, you were born to realize This. Then you have all the potential, you have all the Presence, all the Grace, all the energy that is needed for that Realization. It’s just that the human being flees! He is occupying his days, which are not so many days, his years, which are not so many, in external accomplishments. The only thing you're here to do is discover that you're not here for anything, let alone doing something. You are only here to realize the Reality of your Being, to live that Truth, and to go beyond this condition of time, to go beyond this condition of separation, where there is God and you.
So, Gilson, we were born to realize God, but human beings have other things ahead of that. He has a list, and he has to complete each point on the list. He still has a lot to do before the only thing that is needed, which is to realize God. So, he puts the Kingdom of God as the last thing. According to Christ, the first thing would be to put the Kingdom of God first and everything else would take care of itself. But the human being is not doing it that way, he does it differently. He wants to get married; he wants to have a child, he wants to set up a company, he wants to be successful, he wants to be famous... He wants everything except what matters, which is to be happy. People are naturally unhappy. The only Happiness lies in being What You are, which is outside the world, which is outside time, which is outside the known. That is God Realization, That is Real Enlightenment.
GC: Master, gratitude! Our time is over, so gratitude for this meeting. Guys, for those who are watching, leave a “like,” make comments. For those who are not subscribed, subscribe to the channel. And here is the invitation for anyone who feels something beyond what is being said and has a desire that burns in the heart to really realize This: come to Satsang, get closer to this work with Master Gualberto, because, in fact, Satsang is, in practice, this “dying” daily. So, Master, thank you very, very much. Gratitude for all!
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