GC: Hello everyone! We are here in another videocast! Once again, Master Gualberto was willing to be with us to answer questions you ask here on the channel and he also further clarifies what Joel brought us in “The Infinite Way.” Gratitude, Master Gualberto! Thank you very much for coming once again.
Today, Master, I will share an excerpt from the book “Invisible Supply,” by Joel Goldsmith, in which he says the following: “As long as we believe that we are something external to God and try to return to Him, as long as we strive to bring God into our experience, we will continue to cherish the feeling of separation from God.” And I even asked you this question in a Satsang, Master. The search for, at some point in the future, attaining God, realizing God, or Spiritual Enlightenment, was something very strong in me. Master, can you talk a little bit about that?
MG: Attaining God, realizing God, reaching God – it happens, but you don't make it happen. God Realization happens, being reached by God happens, but there is no one to do it. The problem here, Gilson, is that this whole notion of time we have, which applies to external achievements in life... We saw a small plant, over time, grow and become a tree. It was a small plant; it became a tree and today it is there in our backyard producing fruits. Our psychological notion of reality is a notion of time. So, for us, everything happens in time. All! It is not just the growth of a small plant until it becomes an adult and bears fruit. God Realization is also something that “will happen one day.”
Gilson, the human being, in that state of mental consciousness, in that state of common consciousness, which is the state of human consciousness in us... In that state of consciousness, we live trapped in the idea of time, the psychological time. From a physical, biological, chronological point of view, time is present, we cannot deny it. We have a clock, we start the meeting and there is a time to start, a time to end. If we take a trip, we have to know how to arrive at the right time, otherwise we miss the flight. That’s the use of time. But when it comes to That which we are, the Reality, the Truth in us, [It] is not in time. It is the Reality of Being, it is the Reality of God, and That is not reachable. This is here and now and beyond this “here and now” idea.
The Reality of God is not attainable. And who would be able to reach this? The “I"? But what is the “I”? A set of memories, remembrances… If I ask you something like: “Who are you?”, you'll say your name and tell your story. Your story and your name are memory. That’s not you. This is a description; this is a verbal narrative trying to describe an identity that doesn't exist.
You believe you are the body: that’s another idea. In deep sleep you have no body... and where is that “I”? Memory. The remembrance, the idea, the image of yourself is not present in deep sleep, because there is no thought! So, everything we have of this “I” that we believe ourselves to be is established... grounded in the principle of thought, which is memory.
This “I” does not reach God. This “I” is the illusion of an existence separate from, exactly, that Divine Reality we call God. Attaining God, Realizing God, meeting God means, exactly, disappearing, and That which is God will take His place there! So, it’s not about reaching God, it’s about becoming aware of the illusion of “I.” This brings the discarding of “I” and the Reality of God is present here and now! So, the sense of “I” is the problem. That is the only problem – the illusory problem created by thought itself. Thought, history, and memory created the idea of a present identity and this pronoun “I” was given; that name, which is the pronoun “I.” It is thought itself creating it all.
This Reality called God, Presence, Divine Truth, the Nameless – whatever name we want to give to this Reality of your Being – is not in time and has nothing to do with this “I.” That “I” is a fraud, it is an illusion! It is the discarding of this illusion that reveals the Truth of your Being, which is God, here and now, and beyond this “here and now.” What else can we say about it? There is no “I” to meet God; there is the illusion of an “I” to disappear in this work of self-investigation, of surrender of this “I” – which is the illusion of the ego –, of surrender and recognition or verification that there is only God.
GC: See, Master, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Master’s words, that direct pointing is very revolutionary! Really, the human mind has no way of capturing or conceiving this direct statement that Master makes, it’s just for something that is beyond, because, really, it is a Truth that exterminates this sense of being someone. And the ego... what ego, what mind is going to want that? Mind does not want that, the mind wants to run away from this Truth that it is an illusion, it is a thought, it is nothing! But it’s really impressive!
I remember in Satsang, somehow, the Master was talking about this, and it made perfect sense: it is the very little story that the mind tells to keep itself alive in progressing, in advancing, in the future to accomplish…
MG: Yes, yes! That’s the thought! Thought has created this “I” to maintain its continuity, creating this identity. It is thought that has created this illusory identity that you believe to be. Thought, which is memory, which is history, created this identity. You can continue!
GC: And it’s funny, Master, because the ego has a purpose, it wants to get somewhere. And being, mainly in Satsang with the Master, in this “now,” in this instant, living each moment without a purpose, with nothing, the egoic thought comes: “Wow! But how is this? A life without purpose, without something to get somewhere… Is it just ‘here’ and just ‘now'?” It’s pretty hilarious how this movement of the mind is always pushing itself forward. It lives in time. So, if you don't have a place to go, if you don't have something to do, your mind goes crazy there: “How come?!”
MG: Gilson, the mind can walk and get there, but it will always be “there,” now. It’s always now, you never leave this moment, this instant. So, the idea of arriving and going somewhere is just an idea of thought. Time is not a reality – I say psychological time. This is an invention of thought, an invention of thought! You can't say “I'm going to think about something” without defining what that “something” is, and that definition can only come from thinking. And it is thought that produces the thought about something it intends to think about. And there’s no one thinking, it’s all a game of thinking.
Do you want to see it, Gilson? Let’s do an experiment here: tell me what your next thought will be. Look here, those who are watching the video... Gilson, you who are here with me, look at the camera and tell me what will be your next thought?
GC: There’s no way to know, right, Master?
MG: Why can't you know? If you are the thinker, you should be able to know! The fact is, you are not the thinker. The fact is that there is no “you” that thinks, there is thought thinking. It’s simple! We think that we produce thought. Gilson, thinking happens like breathing happens, heartbeat happens… It is an existential phenomenon, but there is no one making the heartbeat, making breathing happen, making thinking happen. It is an existential phenomenon, it is a phenomenon of Life, of this Supreme Intelligence, playing! Joking! Everything is a big joke of Itself! It plays with breathing, It plays with making the heartbeat, It plays with producing thoughts... But thought, in a self-imposed illusion, that very thought, in a self-imposed illusion, has created the illusion of an identity called “I,” “the thinker.”
Thought seeks survival. It needs time to survive, so it created time. It says: “Yesterday, today, and tomorrow.” Thought is not happy now. It has to always be in the past or the future. Notice how we work in the ego.
So, the thinker, the “I,” the ego, which is thought itself, is either in the past or in the future within you. Thought has nothing to do with the present moment, it only has to do with the past or the future. And to maintain this continuity, it creates an identity, which is the “I,” which is the thinker. This is a fallacy! This is a fraud! This is a lie! This is a trick of the mind saying that you are a person. No, you are a collection of memories, remembrances. When you open your mouth and thoughts are expressed, it is the thoughts themselves being expressed by themselves. And they decide when to stop, they decide how much to talk, they decide how much to think... It’s simple! You lie down to sleep and thought is there. You believe you are the thinker, right? So, ask the thought to stop talking to you to sleep, to see if it works!
We don't get rid of thoughts, which we don't want present in us, and we don't hold thoughts longer than they want to stay in us, because there’s no “I,” it’s all a game of thought. Thought comes and goes! It stays as long as it wants, then it’s replaced by another one, and it’s doing this whole game. The “I” is an illusion, the “ego” is a fraud.
GC: Master, there is a question here from the profile “Akenaton mil.” He asks the following: “How to release the bonds of the spirit and be free, see things as they really are, without illusions?”
MG: Note the question from Akenaton, a YouTube profile. We always have the notion of time in questions that begin, for example, with “how”: “how to realize God?”, “how to attain Enlightenment?”, “how to eliminate problems?”, “how...?”, “how…?” Here it is about becoming aware of the movement, here and now, of the illusion, for that Realization to be present. It’s not about time. You don't need time. In fact, this time of this I” is an illusion, it is a need only for that “I” itself, which is thought itself.
We have to eliminate psychological time, people! It is necessary to discover what Meditation is, because the True Meditation is, here and now, the awareness of That which shows itself without the element “I” to fight, resist, do something with what arises, with what presents itself.
So, all the work, Gilson, consists of the here and now. And it is a work of not doing, not seeking, not searching, not wanting, not trying to acquire or get rid of, but just becoming aware, aware of yourself, here and now. So, Akenaton, this is the answer to your question: you don't have the “how,” but you have this moment for this illusion to disappear. All we need is to become aware of what is going on here and now. We don't need the idea of “becoming,” “achieving,” “accomplishing,” “getting there,” which is just an idea. And it’s very curious: thought creates the idea of achieving, getting there, accomplishing, but, as thought itself creates this idea, it never happens!
People spend their whole lives, for example, trying to get rid of envy, anger, jealousy, or fear, and they continue in fear, envy, jealousy, and anger, because it is an ideal of thought itself. Here, it is looking at what is here, dealing with what is, with what is shown, becoming aware that there is no entity present, which is the “I,” in that anger, in that fear, in that envy… here and now, and not in that ideal of the future, because it is an ideal produced by thought itself that is never fulfilled. It’s like the idea “I'm going to lose weight” ... and it never happens, because it’s an idea. You have an idea of losing weight, I have an idea of losing weight, of getting really thin – neither I can nor you. It is not in the idea that we get thin, it is in action that “getting thin” happens. And the action has to be now, it cannot be in the idea.
This is from a physical level. Now, from a psychological point of view, the situation is even more serious, because to be free of envy, to be free of fear, to be free of anger… If I am in contact with this, here and now, I discover the illusion of the present “I” in that experience. Then, yes, the end of the “I” is possible. And when the “I” ends, anger leaves, envy leaves, fear leaves, because they are expressions of an illusion called “I,” which is the very thought and feeling in that body-mind behaving in a conditioned way. I become aware of it here and now and it dissolves, it disappears. So, it’s not about time, it’s about becoming aware here and now of what’s going on in that “me,” that “I.”
That’s why we have several playlists on the channel, and one of them is about the importance of True Meditation, in practice, and the Truth about Self-awareness. Without that, without Self-awareness, there is no True Meditation. This Self-awareness is to become aware of the Truth of what is here and now, and not of what thought idealizes it to be or, through a technique, a practice, a system, is working to get there. None of this works! This is a fraud, this is an illusion, this is a belief! This has no basis in reality. All right?
GC: Gratitude, Master, gratitude... Could you Master speak a little about detachment? Detachment from things, people, and ideas? A “living to let go,” free in life. Master did a speech in a video these days, very interesting.
MG: Yeah, I don't know… I can't repeat my words, because they're all happening now, always happening now. So, I speak from this place, which is this instant, this moment. So, I don't know if I'm going to say something I said or if it’s going to be what you expect.
The fact is that when you use the expression “detachment,” I ask myself: what is this sense of attachment? Note: what I can perceive from this is that the one who is attached is the very sense of “someone,” who comes alive within the experience [in relation to] what he is attached to.
So, let me place it in a simpler way: ideas give you identity. So, you don't want to get rid of ideas, because that gives you identity. Your problem is not letting go of things, your problem is letting go of the illusion of “someone” in these things. So, people want to achieve detachment, but they don't realize that they are their attachment to that: ideas, objects, people, relationships... It is the identity of the “I” in them that is the matter, and not objects, ideas, people, and relationships. It is the sense of a present existence, in this dependence on being someone, the basis that sustains this attachment.
Your attachment is not people, places, objects, ideas... your attachment is you, yourself. Release the sense of an “I” present within the experience with people, objects, and ideas, and then tell me what will happen with that attachment. The attachment does not remain if the attached one disappears. It’s the sense of an “I” present that sustains its things – being “someone” in them –, the pain of attachment.
And it’s curious. I said “pain of attachment.” People just want to get rid of what causes them pain and they don't want to get rid of what causes pleasure, because for them, they need to get rid of the dark, negative, sad side of life. But the joyful, luminous, positive side of life, in the ego, is still suffering, it still carries the sense of separation from the Divine Reality. So, it is only a matter of time before what is bright, clear, and wonderful in your life becomes dark, sad, and distressing, because it is the sense of “I” present in these fixations that is the problem, not the experience itself. So, it’s not the things we have to let go of, but the sense of the illusion of an “I” in these things.
Now notice one more thing, to close here: this is only possible when you are here and now, aware of this movement of this “I” in this relationship with ideas, people, things, places, and so on. You only realize this now by becoming aware now of this illusion of the present “I.” There is no technique, no method, no formula. It’s no use believing that because you've donated everything to the poor or given everything to other people, you're free. Internally, the sense of a present “I” is bondage. It’s not in objects, it’s not in experiences, it’s not in relationships; it’s in the sense of someone with their fixations, their desires, their fears, and their fulfillment in these things.
So, it’s not things, ideas, people, places, and objects that we have to let go of, but the illusion that you're there, having these things, these ideas, these people, and everything else. All right? That’s all, that’s all...
GC: Nice, Master, Nice! I even remember a passage, I think it was in a Satsang too, of you speaking... Because there is, in the spiritual journey, the saying “you must have no desires,” these external desires, which are within the attachments. And then, the Master is saying: “It is not the absence of desires, it is the absence of the one who desires, of this ‘I’, of this ‘me’, of this false identity. It is the absence of that one, because of external desires…”
MG: Yes. The problem is not in the objects. You see a nice dress, a pair of shoes, a purse – this is especially for women. A man sees a suit, or a car, or something like that, and he’s delighted. The problem is not in the objects, the problem is in the illusion of “someone” present in this pain of being the possessor of what he believes he has or of what he believes he cannot have. It’s the pain of being someone that makes you suffer in desire. It is the sense of a someone wanting that is the problem, it is the sense of ego, it is the sense of “I.”
We are seeing things in a confusing way, Gilson. We are looking out. And this “looking outside,” as it is from the mind, which lives in this process of judgment, comparison, evaluation, acceptance, and rejection from a false center, which is the ego, which is this observer, which is the “I,” as we are looking at the outside, our entire vision is false, our whole feeling and thinking about life, about experiences is completely false.
We do not have the vision of the sage, which is the vision of the one who is outside of time, looking at Life as It is, without the sense of an “I” making choices or resolving, or deciding, or protecting, or accusing, or trying to defend himself, laden with fear…the fear of not desiring. See that? The fear of not having, the fear of having… There is always fear! It’s the fear of not having and it’s the fear of having.
So, we live like little creatures very attached to a completely distorted vision, based on spiritual, religious, philosophical, psychological, humanist principles, and all of this is the “lie” of the ego, everything is within conditioning. So, our beliefs are a great prison, be they philosophical, religious… because they put us in this condition: looking at the world from that illusory, false center, from a thinker, seeing the world from criteria of comparison, judgments, concept, prejudice, and so on. All a big “lie,” a big nonsense, a big illusion! Alright?
GC: Master, we are already running out of time. Gratitude… gratitude for this videocast.
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MG: OK, everyone! See you soon. Thanks for the meeting!
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