GC: Hello everyone! We are here for another videocast. Master Gualberto is here with us again. Thank you very much, Master, for your presence.
Master, today I am going to read an excerpt from Joel Goldsmith’s book called “Conscious Union with God.” In an excerpt from this book, Master, Joel makes the following comment: “Following this path involves a willingness not to worry about life, the things you eat or drink, or what you will be wearing.” Within this theme, can the Master give us an answer on how to get rid of worries or how to overcome anxiety?
MG: So, Gilson, we have made several talks about subjects similar to the ones you are raising. That's why we have these meetings here, to investigate this.
The point is this, Gilson: there is a wrong way to deal with all of this. When, for example, we use expressions like: “How to overcome?” or “How to deal?”, “How to deal with thoughts?”, “How to overcome worries” or “How to overcome fear?”, the idea present in human beings – firstly, they start from a very mistaken principle, and this is exactly what supports this idea. The idea he makes, because of this principle he carries... he carries a principle within him, the human being: the idea that he is someone present here, at this moment, within a given experience. He carries this mistaken principle of a separate “I,” of an “I” separate from experience, separate from thoughts, from emotions, from sensations, from perceptions… separate from the world, separate from the other, separate from God… So, this is a principle. And there is an idea behind this principle, and the idea is that we can – if we can't, we must one day be able to – deal with the world that is separate from us. Dealing with thoughts that are separate from us... dealing with feelings, with experiences. And that’s why we ask questions like this: “How to overcome?” As if there was someone to overcome.
We want to solve the problem, but we don't want to investigate the nature of the problem. For us, the illusion is that solving the problem is overcoming the problem. But when you overcome one problem, there are a thousand more waiting for you ahead.
Here we have to review this. Who is this element for which problems appear? So, it's not about solving a problem or believing you have solved it because that problem has disappeared, it's about understanding that element for which problems arise. This element is this “I” that sees itself separate. It is this pattern of separation, this illusory pattern of being someone present here, within this situation that always puts us in the model of confronting the situation when it is unpleasant, when it is bad. So, when it's bad, we want to overcome it. When it's pleasant, we want to hold onto it. “We who? That element.
This principle of separation is an illusion, and this idea of being able to manage this is part of that illusion. When you ask how to overcome fear, how to overcome anxiety, how to overcome jealousy, how to overcome anger, the idea is “me” and anger, “me” and jealousy, “me” and envy. We do not realize that the presence of envy is the presence of the “I.” The presence of anger is the presence of the “I,” of fear is the presence of the “I.”
Notice how very basic this is: when there is no anger, is there someone present in that experience? The experience of anger is someone present within the experience. But someone present within the experience of anger is anger! Without anger, there is no angry person. Without fear, there is no fearful one.
So, this is the real way, Gilson, to approach experience. And the real way is to no longer sustain this illusion of an experiencer for that given experience. Therefore, we need to know ourselves in this contact with the present moment, with what the present moment represents, shows us, presents; to be aware of this “me,” this “I.” When we are aware of this, we no longer maintain the illusion of this principle of separation. And, naturally, the illusion of this idea that we can control this. And when we give up that control, give up that idea of separation, that experience undergoes a tremendous change. And it undergoes precisely because, at that moment, all the energy of consciousness is present to eliminate this separation that sustains this situation, which sustains, in this case, fear, anger, envy, jealousy, and so on. Now, what we are saying here, Gilson, is something that we need to discover in practice.
So, this may sound a little strange or very strange to you, because as long as you are within this model, which is an ancient model, which is a model of human history, of the human race – see, you are only 40 years old, but humanity has been around for millennia. Your parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, they all lived in anger, in fear. All forms of fear were present in their lives. And everyone who came here before them carried that too. And here you are, thirty, thirty-five, forty years old, I don't know. Either you keep your life in the same model that they lived, that the mass, humanity is living, or you break with that, becoming aware of the Divine Truth, the Truth of this Real Being, this Divine Reality that is you outside of this “I,” outside this ego, outside this principle of separation. This requires an approach, Gilson, to oneself, with which human beings, with which the vast majority, are not interested at all. We are so distracted in achieving success, fame, the long-awaited encounter with love, with happiness, in material achievements – and some others in the so-called spiritual acquisitions, or picturing a future after death, a Divine future where no there will be more suffering – that people are not working on it right now. Some are on a spiritual quest and others on a material quest. Here is about becoming aware of the Divine Reality, here and now, and awakening from this dream, because all of this is within a dream.
All forms of human search are within a dream. And those who are simply looking for temporary relief from these internal states of unhappiness, in various forms of treatments or escapes, it's the same! We need to go beyond this sense of “I,” of the ego, otherwise we will continue within the same model of separation and, therefore, of suffering, within the same principle that human beings have been living for millennia. Therefore, we need, in fact, to awaken, to get out of this dream, this dream in materialism, this dream in spiritualism or spirituality, for what is present here and now, outside this condition. And that is what we are working with you here, showing you that, yes, it is possible to awaken, as some have already awakened. From time immemorial, throughout the history of humanity, men and women have awakened from their dreams. This is your moment to awaken from dream. What I've been saying, Gilson, you've already heard this countless times, it's your moment, it's not your father's moment, your mother's moment, your grandfather's moment, your grandmother's moment, your great-grandfather's moment, it's your moment to wake up! When there is this awakening something new is present, and what is present is Indescribable, it is Unnamable, it is the Reality of this Being that no longer suffers, that is no longer confused with this model of separation and, therefore, of confusion. That's it.
GC: Master, your speech is always very revolutionary. And something that I find very beautiful is that the Master takes away all external “walking sticks,” so that we can focus all this attention on ourselves, not to study sacred books or study any type of book, but to study ourselves; to look at every moment, every moment, at this madness of thoughts, this madness that has been perpetuated generation after generation. And the most impressive thing about this is that, in Satsang, in this sharing of Presence that the Master provides, every Satsang the Master is pushing us to look at ourselves, to look at this madness of thought, at this identification, at this madness of believing to be someone.
MG: Gilson, the point here, you see, is that when you have an intellectual formation regarding this Divine Reality, that intellectual formation is still conditioning. So, there is no point in being told that there is God, that there is a life completely different from this dream model of the world. There is no point in having theoretical, conceptual information about this. We get this in books, we find it in books. We understand and have knowledge of this and reach it by listening to lectures, but that doesn't solve it, you see? So, our insistence here is that you study what is happening inside you. Why, Gilson? Because the entire history of humanity is present in you. You are the whole human history! Everything that human beings have experienced throughout the history of humanity, this history of the human race, everything that is in the human race or that human beings have ever experienced is present in you. You are the result of all this! Resentment, hatred, violence, fear, jealousy, envy, ambition, anguish... also joy, pleasure, satisfaction, the moment of gratitude, everything is within you. So, you are the big book. You are the big book!
So, there is no point in, intellectually, trying to read the address. You know, when you have an address and you keep looking at the address all the time? If you are reading the address, you are not in the place, you are in the concept. It's like taking a recipe and reading the recipe. So, you won't get the food, the cake or the dish by looking at the recipe and reading it. And people are trying to do that. They want to discover God in the letter, in intellectual knowledge. They will become aware of the Divine Reality in themselves, if they discover what it is like to strip away the illusion of all this content of human conditioning, which gave formation to this ego-identity.
The point is this. So, there's no point in reading. Most people, Gilson, those who are here and now, you who are listening to me, how many books must you have read? A few dozen? A few hundred? Tell me, so what? Books can inspire us, they can cheer us up, they can excite us, but all of this is still at the ego level. An enthusiastic ego, an excited ego, an ego saying, “Now I can do it.” Can you do it “now,” when? Because we refer to the now and say: “I can do it” and push it to tomorrow. So, we are left with an ideation, a belief, a set of ideas.
Here, Gilson, it's about becoming aware of yourself, right now, here and now. Learning to deal with this “me,” with this “I,” with what it represents, without running away, without escaping, without theorizing. To study oneself, become aware of thought, emotion, sensation, perception. When someone praises you, observe your reactions, see how your ego inflates like a balloon, notice this affectation of that ego.
Also, when you are criticized, see how irritated, angry, upset you become. Despite all the spiritual books you've read about forgiveness, about love, and none of that solves it! Because the sense of ego is present. You have all the theory, but you don't have any experience of it. So, this theory is useless! (laughs) It's like someone who reads about how to drive a car: you won't drive a car by reading about it. You will never be able to drive a car by reading about how to drive a car. You will never learn what cycling is like by reading a book about it. Either you're on the bike working on this, or you'll never understand what it means to ride a bike. Or you will never discover what it is like to drive a car, or you will never discover what it is like to bake a cake by reading recipes. I just wanted to bring this addendum. Go ahead, I interrupted you. But we need to wake up, we need to be aware of this. Then, we are experiencing this, right now. We become aware of this, not in theory, but through experience.
GC: That's right, Master. It's impressive and ends up becoming very “simple,” but we just need to study ourselves. So, there is no longer any dependence on anything external, other than being constantly looking at this activity, this repetition of pattern, these thoughts. At this point, Master, we have a question here from Débora, she asks the following question: “I carry karmas from the past, I can't get out of it. I have guilt and a lot of remorse. Forgiving myself is difficult. Is that the ego?”
MG: So, we just put exactly that. This girl has probably already read a lot on the subject. We read, study, listen to lectures, talks, but none of this works, because we don't learn to come into direct contact with the experience of this image we create about who we are. We need, Gilson, to verify this here and now, in living, without any idea or concept about it. For example, now, we hear her saying and due to all the information she has, she is now loaded with guilt, because we have an ideal of how we should be, of how we believe we need to be. At the same time, we have an idea that we are not like that now. So, you see, we are not that now, but we have guilt or feel guilty, because we are not what we want to be. See, this is within this self-image. Much of the teaching we have is generating within us a sense of guilt-responsibility within an idealism, within the fantasy of “I should be.” I said just that: within a fantasy of what “I should be.” So, we stop being aware of what we are, what is here, for an ideal, a fantasy of how we should be. We stop looking at how we are feeling for an ideal of how we should feel. This, Gilson, is what takes us away from a direct observation of this study of ourselves.
So, we spend a lot of time in our lives busy with ideals, with projects, with beliefs, with formulas. This places us psychologically, idealistically, in an imaginary future produced by thought. What we need, Gilson, is to become aware of what we are right now, without separating ourselves from it. Without adding thought, which is this ideal of how we should be, how we could be. So, yes, we have the possibility of going beyond this condition. But the first thing here is to get rid of this self-image, a self-image that is supported by this guilt, this responsibility. Because we were told that we should forgive ourselves, we should forgive others. Why haven't they told us what we're putting here for you? That we need to become aware of who we are without creating this separation? This requires, Gilson, an approach to oneself, in which there is no longer this separation between what is being felt here and an image we have about how we should feel, of how it is true to feel. None of this is really important. With this we eliminate the psychological factor called “time.” We abandon this psychological time to deal with what is here. This requires approaching yourself from a new perspective.
So, the Truth of Self-awareness – here, Self-awareness is a look without the observer.
See, the word here “Self-awareness” is not – I always emphasize this to be clear. We do not use this word here in the sense that you will find there, in books. Self-awareness according to that specialist, according to that technique, according to that format, according to that teaching. No, here we are talking about the simple observation of this movement of feeling and thinking present here, without placing a present identity on it. It is much simpler, Gilson, to approach this, investigating this subject. We have several videos, hundreds of videos pointing out this. And we also have online meetings, directly, where we can work on this together. Becoming aware of what you are requires an end to this model of thinking. All these thoughts are thoughts, they are beliefs, they are formulas. We give up these formulas and start looking, without these formulas, at what is here.
Becoming aware of this is the end of this self-image. And when it ends, all of that disappears. That's the good news. This requires work on ourselves. OK?
GC: And as the Master commented, in these weekend meetings, in these weekend intensives called Satsangs, the Master dedicates the entire weekend, Saturday and Sunday, exactly to provide us with this self-investigation. And as the Master remains in this State of Presence, he ends up sharing this Silence. And then it's very beautiful, because in many moments something happens... and then it's indescribable. There is no way to put it into words, but in this Silence, in the Presence of the Master, it ends, problems end, duality ends, time ends, the desire to become something in the future ends. And it is truly unique to be able to be in Satsang with the Master and dive into this field of Presence that the Master is.
MG: Gilson, the model of time is the model of thought. Here we need to have an approach to the end of time, because Reality is present here, at this moment. The Reality of That which is present here puts an end to this illusion that is shown here as being a separate entity with its conflicts, dilemmas, problems, suffering, fear, desires, anxiety, depression... This is all part of this false center, illusory, which is present here because of this time, this psychological model of time.
When we access the Reality of That which is present now, there is an annulment of this psychological movement of time. That’s why this condition of this “me,” this “I,” this ego disappears, since it is sustaining itself within a model of time constructed by thought. In this time constructed by thought, we have self-image, we have this model of separation, of duality.
Some have this question, but it's strange! When we are in Satsang, something happens, as you just said and as you always say. And that's interesting, why does this happen? This is because time ends. There is no room for this model of time to move, since this model of time is a model of thought moving. Reality is timeless. It is not in time. It is not part of the known movement of thought. This movement of known thought, where time is present, this model of psychological time, is a distressing model of an identity with its problems. But this identity with its problems is a false identity. Your Real Nature, Gilson, the Truth about all of us is that there is not all of us, there is only one Real Nature present here, and That is the end of this “me,” this “I,” this “us” with everything that this represents. It is something unspeakable, indescribable, it is the absence of the known. It is the nature of That which is nameless, indescribable, which is the Reality of Love, Peace, Freedom, Happiness... This is God Realization. Or this is the Truth of God taking over His space right now, OK? That's what happens.
GC: Ok, Master, our time has come to end. So, gratitude for this videocast. For those of you who are watching the video, leave a “like,” make a comment, you can ask us questions for the next meetings, for the next videocasts. And, above all, if you have a sincere yearning to really study yourself, give yourself the opportunity to participate in these intensive weekend meetings. It's the entire Saturday and Sunday, where we have the freedom to ask direct questions to the Master, live. And the Master guides us by sharing this Presence, this Silence; something that is beyond words happens, which shows us that everything the Master says is much more than just words. It makes sense and it's real. So, here's the invitation. Master, gratitude for this meeting.
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