Gilson – Hello everyone! We are here for one more videocast. One more opportunity that Marcos Gualberto – Master Gualberto – gives us to explain what this subject is that moves us towards God, towards Spiritual Enlightenment, this Realization of this Truth We Are.
For those who don't know Marcos Gualberto, I'll quickly tell you how I met him – by the way, we have a playlist with these videocasts, we've had several meetings, the link to the playlist will be here in the description and the first comment, if you're interested in it, you can watch the others videocasts as well.
But then, I met Marcos Gualberto last year [2022]. I've been on a spiritual quest for many years – the last few years focused on Joel Goldsmith’s studies – and last year, by an act of Grace, I ended up entering a moment of internalization, moving myself away from studies, including Joel’s studies, and from the activities of the study groups. And, by Grace, YouTube presented me with a video from the channel “Master Gualberto,” where the theme of the channel is, exclusively, this God Realization, Spiritual Enlightenment, or the Awakening of Consciousness – and Marcos Gualberto doesn’t speak from knowledge acquired in books, but rather from an experience, through the Grace of his Master Ramana [Maharshi]. After twenty-one years of an intense process of self-investigation, he had this “Awakening” where, as he says, the Natural State settled down, a State of Happiness, Peace – that Peace that the world doesn’t know – and when I watched this video I was attracted, I felt something different and I saw that there were both face-to-face and online meetings – which are intensive on weekends – called Satsang.
I wasted no time participating in an intensive weekend meeting and then I could “understand” a little what or who Marcos Gualberto is. Because Marcos Gualberto is just a name, there’s no longer this illusory, egoic identity, this psychological “I.” He is in this State of Realization where participating in the intensive weekend meeting, I could “feel” something and enter an atmosphere of Silence, Stillness, Peace, and Love, just by being in his presence, just by looking into his eyes.
Since then, I’ve been participating in all the meetings, both face-to-face and online, and it’s a real Grace to be able to meet a Master, in life, “someone” who realized this Truth, which is this Natural State, and can, with his Grace, allow us also to investigate, look at ourselves, so we are able to go beyond this illusion of a present “I.”
I spent a lot of time talking here, Master, but let’s go. In today’s videocast, I want to read an excerpt from Joel’s book “Awakening Mystical Consciousness” for Master to make some comments.
In that book, Joel states: “There is no such thing as time and space in God. God exists and that’s all we know. God doesn’t act in time and space. God acts in the infinite present. Time doesn’t exist in God, just as time doesn’t exist in your life. Time is just something by which you measure external events, but you don't live within time; you live in the infinite nature of your Being.”
Master, could you talk a little about this issue of time, of now, explaining a little for us within your own experience?
Master – Ok! Alright!
The topic is this notion of time. This notion is an idea within us. Life or Existence is what is here. Now, apart from that, thought has ideas about what’s happening, what has happened, and what will happen. So, time consists of this: just an idea. So, thought is actually the foundation of time – of course, here I mean that time which thought forges, creates and idealizes.
The notion of being “someone” is totally based on that time and that’s basically thought. You, for example, say: “I was that,” “Yesterday I was that,” “Today I am this” and “Tomorrow I’ll be that.” This idea of being “this” or “that” is just a thought, what you Are is now and doesn't change. The only thing that had changed was the chronological time. When you look at your body, you see that your body has changed and this body of yours, in fact, is part of this whole existence, and this existence is, indeed, going through a whole process of change. This change is chronological time. It’s the so-called clock time. So, time passes, but it’s just chronological time, the time between sunrise and sunset. Everything under this process of chronological time changes, this happens to the body as well. Then, the only change in you was the change in this body.
When you say “I,” you refer to something you don't really know. It’s just a set of ideas, images, beliefs, and memories that thought cultivates, gathers, and creates, based on it, an identity, which is supposedly alive – this identity we call “I.” This identity is basically thought, which is just remembrance, memory. So, what we call time is an idea. In this idea we are establishing an identity – this “me,” this “I,” what we call the ego – the identity of the “I,” the egoic identity.
That “person” that is you, that is based only on thoughts, remembrances, images, and memories – is something that is the result of a story of memories; this story of memories is time; this time is just thought. So, this whole notion of psychological time is basically created by thought. There’s no such psychological time, just as there’s no such thing as an “I.”
The Reality of What You are, isn’t in time, and that’s what Joel says, God is not a reality in time and space. When he refers to God, he is referring to You, because actually, there’s no separation between the Reality that is God and the Truth that is You in your Being.
The entity in us called “I” – which is this set of memories, remembrances, which is thought, idea – is just a psychological being imagined by thought. So, when we refer to You, we refer to the Reality of this Being, which is not in time, which is the Reality of God, because, actually, Gilson, there’s only one present Reality and It is Unchangeable. It is Unchangeable, precisely because It is not in time. Everything that changes is part of time, so there’s birth, goes through a process, and, at a certain time, also disappears. What begins in chronological time ends in chronological time, but the Reality of Being, which is the Reality of God, is not in time or space, and that’s the Reality of your Being, the Reality of our Essential Nature.
As we mistake ourselves for what we are not, we end up identifying with this, we mistake ourselves for what we are not, for the story that is, basically, thought, idea, and beliefs, about this “I.” This “I” in us is the illusion that lives – lived yesterday, lives today, and will live tomorrow. Whereas, in fact, What You are, which is Pure Consciousness – and here I mean the Nature of Being, God in you – is not born, does not grow, age, get sick, or die.
The Realization of the Truth about you is that there is only God and this is not in time. The body is in time, the story is part of time, however, this story and this body are just a dream. A dream that is appearing to a dreamer who believes he exists apart from the dream. I really like this example: at night you have a dream and when you wake up in the morning, that world of yours has gone and that “you” that was there living all of that has disappeared, where did it go? To nowhere, it was only part of thought. Thought built that world, that “I” in that experience, that oneiric experience. When you wake up in the morning, you discover that all that experience was for a supposed experiencer, dreamer, a supposed “I,” because when you wake up, you realize that only thought built all of that. Thought has gone, and with thought that world has gone, that “person,” that “me” and that “you” that were there have gone.
So, our experience in this vigil state is also just a dream, where you see yourself as the experiencer, the dreamer of this experience called “my life,” “my story,” “my name,” “my business,” “my house,” “my family,” “my health,” “my illness,” “my old age” and “my death,” as well as “my birth,” these are all that thought builds about the reality of your being.
It’s not the reality that you are, it’s what thought says about who you are, and you identify with it, trust it, give it an identity, and are alienated from the Truth, this non-separation between You and the One Reality present, which is God. So, there’s only God, and God is this Life beyond all this phenomenon, this dream, this personal and particular so-called “life” that this “I” believes it has. That’s basically it, there’s nothing mysterious about it.
Gilson – Master, I remembered a question I asked you in an intensive Satsang, about this topic as well. As Master exemplifies and tells of his own “experience,” in this process of the Awakening, there’s a psychophysical change in the body, and the body is in time, but it’s the body that is in time, not the Being. So, this coming to be, becoming, realizing God, the mind puts it in time, but that doesn't exist, it’s just the body, which is in time and will go through a process, would it be that?
Master – Yes, within the concept of time, we need a search. The search is part of time and it’s the search for what is part of time, in search of something within time, what you idealize to reach. Once you're inside that concept, idea, or belief of being “someone,” everything you can produce from it, is still part of what thought imagines. You idealize Realizing God, so you idealize a “god” according to an image you have of his reality, in time. Then, this search can’t be real, because it’s still a projection of thought itself, of this “I” thought to find something in time called “god.”
If there’s a reality, that Reality is not in time, if it’s part of time, it’s not Reality. What is Reality is timeless, not part of what changes or alters, what is today and tomorrow is not present. This is the Nature of Reality: what is Real doesn’t cease to be Real and doesn’t become Real. So, if it’s Real, it’s Real here and now, and that’s the Reality of God, then you don't find God in time.
You assume the Reality of God now. This “assuming the Reality of God” is the disappearance of this illusion, the illusion of the “I.” When this “I” – which is the illusion of identity in time – disappears, What is Reality, which always Is, here and now, shows Itself as being Itself. So, this search for Enlightenment is one more image of this illusory “I” that resides in time and projects Realization as a goal to be achieved in time.
All the change that is necessary is psychophysical, which is needed in this model of mind and body. Our mind is not a clear, lucid, natural, free mind; it’s a mind that lives within a model of psychological conditioning, so it has an illusory, false center, which is this “I.” So, that mind needs to go through a change – a profound transformation – through a release from this illusory center model that is the “I.” So, the mind goes through this change and this biological body goes through a process also of change, so that this Reality, which is the Consciousness of the Truth, God, that is here, can assume this space which is His in this mechanism, this body-mind.
So, the only change, the only process present in that Realization, is not in What You are. That sense of “I” needs to disappear. It needs to go through a change, a break – and here it is curious to use this expression, because, in reality, the transformation (or the change) is in the mind, putting an end to this illusion of a present identity, which is the “I.” Then, it’s this conditioning that needs to disappear, thus, we are before a free mind, free from all forms of psychological conditioning, and a body ready for this Reality, which is your Being, to find the space that belongs to It. Some people call this Kundalini Awakening or Spiritual Enlightenment.
So, the process of change and transformation is psychophysical, in the mind and body, including the brain. Then, there has to be a change, indeed, but it’s not something you do or find in the future, in time. It’s something that happens very naturally when you discover the art of examining yourself through self-investigation – which is self-observation, this study of yourself, which is Self-awareness, which is surrender, the abandonment of this illusion, within an approach to what I’ve called True Meditation in practice. Then, there is a change in this mechanism, in this body-mind; it’s the whole process needed, and this is actually in time, not the Reality of your Being, not the Reality of God. So, you need work, rather than search.
There’s a difference between work taking place, being processed here and now, in this mechanism, in this body-mind, and this search model. Because who is “the one” in search? And what can this “someone” in the search find unless a projection, or ideation created by thought itself? This can’t be Reality. Reality is beyond thought and therefore beyond time and space. That’s what Joel says, God is the Reality outside of time and space and that Reality is the Reality of your Being, there’s only Him, and He is the One Reality present.
Gilson – Master, now that you are talking about it, everything is clear and light – let’s say – for me. Gilson – Master, now that you talk about it, everything is clear and light – let’s say – for me. I remember that in this Satsang, in this investigation, in intensive meetings, Master provides a deepening on this [issue] of not having this projection of becoming [“someone”] anymore. This was to lose all hope, because the ego has the hope of coming to be. I remember it was very “uncomfortable” and the mind went “buggy” with that, because it’s in time, so it can’t see itself outside of time, it’s not possible, is it?
Now, with Master speaking, it is much smoother and more peaceful, because in this work – I remember you said some words like that – you have to see this notion of time, ideation, but [the work] is done now; and the work begins when there is no longer this ideation of time or when it’s seen – Master said something like that. So, it’s interesting when this work is really being done, we become aware of this activity, don't we?
Master – You can’t sustain this work in time. Work is what is processed here and now: either it is happening here, at this moment, or it doesn't happen. We have as a principle, and this is an illusion of thought, it projects itself in time and says: “'I’ am this, but tomorrow I’ll be that.” In fact, this tomorrow of thought is still the same today; the only thing thought does is to maintain continuity, and in that continuity, it can change, but those changes are still part of it.
While the work of self-realization is the end of thought, which is only possible here and now. So, the process of the real work of self-realization is the end of all the illusion of a process that takes place in time; then, fear, you look at it now, you don't idealize getting rid of it, because who would be idealizing getting rid of fear, if not fear itself? Either you acknowledge the illusion of fear – and the illusion of fear can only be seen when the one who is afraid, who is the “I,” is seen, and that’s now – or else this imagination remains: “One day I’ll get rid of fear”; and that one day is the illusion of a work being processed in time.
So, people want to realize God and they ask: “How?” “In what way?”, “When?” As if this were possible. The “I” doesn’t realize God. You see the illusion of the “I.” You can see the illusion of the “I,” but the “I” is just a process in time that maintains its continuity exactly within this project of “coming to be,” “becoming,” “getting there,” “doing something.” It is time, the illusion of time. Not You; You are the Consciousness out of time. But this “me,” this “I” with which you identify, which is in time, will always say instead: “I will achieve this tomorrow,” “I will get there tomorrow,” “Tomorrow I will get rid of envy, jealousy, fear,” “Tomorrow I will realize God.”
People, see that: it’s looking at that movement of the “I,” that look is enough and that look is a move, here and now, of this Intelligence, this Consciousness; it’s where the work happens. That’s why Meditation doesn't require a place, space, external conditions, body position, it doesn't require anything at all. True Meditation requires that you just become aware of yourself here and now.
It’s not doing something with what you see; it’s exactly to see without moving. Then, something new arises and this something new is this Intelligence, this Consciousness, it’s You in your Being breaking this model of egoic identity, which moves based on principles of psychological conditioning, actions that occur in response to internal reactions, emotions that occur in response to internal reactions, thoughts that are always responding due to internal memory reactions, emotions being reinforced by memory reactions and feelings as well.
So, the sense of the present “I,” which is the ego, which lives in time, needs time to continue, and this time is this inattention you are giving to this model of egoic identity, behaving in a reactive activity. Then, there’s no such action. A free action requires the absence of the “I.” There’s no free action in the “I,” just reaction, all the time. Thus, the awareness of the Truth of your Being is the end of the illusion of that “I,” and this is here and now. All the work is here and now. It’s not a search, but rather the awareness of this movement that is the “I,” which is basically the end of time, this psychological time that thought forges and creates. Fine? That’s it.
Gilson – Master, there is a big joke within this spiritual quest, within spirituality: it’s the “evolve,” the “I” in evolution or expansion – the “expansion of consciousness.” All this putting time and ego, in its trickery, perpetuating itself. I fell for this trick for many years, and now, with the Grace of the Master, this “I” that wanted to evolve and become enlightened is being seen.
Master – You can improve yourself, you can get better, but even improved you still remain you; even refined, it’s still you. Maybe it’s not pleasant to hear that, but you still carry, even improved, even though you're someone better, more refined, you're still someone who sees the world separate from yourself, the other separate from yourself and God, and still separate from yourself. This represents conflict, contradiction, and suffering.
As long as there’s a sense of an “I” present within the experience, no matter how broad, deep, spiritual, and divine that “I” is, it will still have and carry within it that sense of separateness, which is basically suffering.
This anguish, pain, existential emptiness, and feeling that something is missing, is typical of this illusion – the illusion of this identity which is the “I,” which lives in time. Thus, no matter how it expands, goes deeper into the Scriptures, acquires virtues, noble qualities, even divine qualities, and powers, also divine, spiritual, as long as there’s a sense of an “I” present, there’ll be some form of fear, suffering, conflict, and trouble.
That’s it.
Gilson – Master, our time is over. I must say thank you. Thank you for this sharing. And here’s the invitation for those who haven't had the opportunity to participate in an intensive weekend meeting, whether online or in person, Master Gualberto gives the information here in the video description. Thanks again, Master.
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