GC: Hello everyone! We are here for another videocast. Again, Master Gualberto here with us.
Master, today I am going to read an excerpt from Joel Goldsmith's book called “The art of spiritual healing.” In an excerpt from the book, Master, Joel says the following: “Whatever your struggle is – against illness, against poverty, against unemployment, against sadness or against sin –, stop fighting and wake up.” Master, how to free oneself, how to stop the fight against sadness, against anxiety, against the fear that pulses in human beings?
MG: Gilson, our inclination, in general, is to fight, because we learned that we have to win. We have lived in an effort, in a movement to achieve, to free ourselves, to fight, since childhood.
Everything we accomplished, we accomplished through effort, and everything we got rid of, we got rid of through effort, had effort. So, this model is the model that we learned. And here we believe that dealing with internal states – which are these states of the consciousness of the “I,” which is the consciousness of the ego –, dealing with them is also through struggle, through effort, you have to strive yourself, because we have to win, we have to triumph. But we never ask who this “we” is?
The delicate point here, Gilson, is that we never ask who is the one who has to win, who has to fight, who has to achieve, who has to get rid of. The truth about this is that the “I” consciousness itself… that is where the problem lies, and it separates itself to deal with the problem. And when we do this, we are part of one movement, which is the movement of continuity of the problem itself. So, for those of us who can't overcome – and we can't overcome because it's our own consciousness that created the problem, separating itself to try to deal with the problem, and that doesn't work –, we've already realized that it hasn't worked. We cannot get rid of fear, we cannot get rid of envy, nor jealousy, nor violence, nor anger, nor anguish, nor depression. As we were unable to free ourselves, despite all the effort, all the struggle, we ran away.
So, there are two movements: one movement is the movement to flee, the other is to fight against. The one who fights and the one who runs away are still the problem. We don't separate the problem from the problematic, Gilson. This is an illusion! We want to deal with the problem from the problematic viewpoint, we want to deal with fear from the fearful, we want to deal with jealousy from the jealous, we want to get rid of envy by being the envy itself. So, we want to deal with a problem at the problem level. We cannot end a problem by being the problem dealing with the problem. We have to discover what it means to have a new approach to the problem, whatever it may be.
I have really emphasized the importance of letting go of words. We are very attached, Gilson, very attached to verbal expressions, to words. So, we cultivate, we admire words a lot. We carry an illusory feeling that words give us something like the power, for example, to deal with that situation.
We love naming problems, that's why we have these classifications for internal states. These are internal states of unhappiness: anguish, fear, depression, envy, jealousy, attachment, desire to control, dominate, stress... So, we name, we give different names to these internal states of unhappiness with the intention of dealing with it. We have the intention of dealing with these states, we believe that by naming we will control it better, by naming we will explain it to ourselves, we will be able to explain it to others, and, however, we remain within the same condition, because we have separated ourselves in thought, in the idea, in the imagination of that condition, to try to deal with that, but here we are facing an illusion.
There is no separation. When you are sad, there is only sadness, there is no “I” sad. Let's take this example: When you are sad, there is only sadness, but then thought arises inside you, explains that it is sadness and explains why you are sad. At this moment, you are falling into a prank: the “I” prank. This prank has been catching everyone for millennia. Look at that, Gilson, it's a prank that catches everyone. It’s the idea of “someone” being sad… so there is “someone” sad, which is not true. And why is it a trick of ego itself? Because when it gives you the feeling that you are something separate from sadness, you – who is this sad person – believe that you can get rid of sadness, then the fight, the effort, or the escape begins.
Both the fight to free yourself, the effort to free yourself, or the fight to escape, the fight to get rid of sadness, amounts to the same thing, because it is the same sense of the “I,” of the ego – I hope it is getting clearer here for you – that is sustaining itself and perpetuating itself in this time that it is creating when it fights against that or runs away from that.
In general, we run away from states of pain, because we know we can't get rid of them; so, we run away. When they are states of pleasure, the “I” separates itself and says: “Great, I want more!” So, either we confuse ourselves with this state of pleasure and cling to it, or we try to escape this state of pain by running away from it, and when we do that, we are captured by the egoic identity.
So, this has been the condition of human beings for millennia! We don't learn to deal with the present moment. The present moment contains what appears; and everything that appears, appears to be seen, observed, without the sense of someone within it. And why, Gilson? Because life is something that happens in this moment, and, in this moment, the presence of this “I,” this ego, this experiencer who separates himself from the experience, whether external or internal, is an intrusion. This is how the ego has maintained itself, is maintaining itself in this world.
So, what do we need to do? It's not running away and it's not fighting against, fighting against or running away from that. All we need is to become aware that we are facing a model of separation, a model of duality, then we have the possibility of awakening. Awakening is seeing the experience without the experiencer. This is the true way to deal with states of unhappiness. So, what is valid for dealing with thoughts is valid for dealing with feelings, or emotions, or sensations. In other words, do not place an identity present in the experience. Do this and observe what will happen with the experience. This is the end of the experience, because at that moment we have the end of the “I,” of the ego, which is the experiencer. I hope this is becoming clear to you.
We verify this, Gilson, in living. As you approach life without rejecting and without clinging to whatever is appearing, you discover what it is like to let go of the experiencer's illusion. Then, your contact with this moment becomes a real, unique contact, free from the past. You are, at that moment, stopping valuing the sense of “I” within living, within experience; and when this occurs, you are renouncing, nullifying, becoming aware of the end of this sense of someone present. Then, something new becomes possible, something arises, and that something comes from outside that condition, which is the condition of time, of memory, of the known, of the recognizable, it is That which I have called “the Presence of Unknown,” “the Presence of Truth,” or “the Presence of Grace.” So, we have the end of problems.
We do not fight with problems, we become aware of the one who is involved in this so-called “problem,” which is the “I.” It is only this sense of “I,” Gilson, that carries problems. Life is as It is. It doesn't have any problem. However, the sense of “I,” in this contact with Life as It shows itself, is always translating, interpreting, judging, evaluating, rejecting, fighting, running away… because it is always dealing with problems. It is the problem! And this problem lies in this egoic consciousness, which is the consciousness of the “I.” I hope this is becoming clear to you here.
GC: Master, it's impressive how, for me at least, before meeting the Master... and then, meeting the Master, participating in the meetings, in the Satsangs, I began to have clarity, an understanding of this. There was a specific situation in my life, Master, that repeated itself cyclically for more than twenty years. There was a pattern of thoughts that generated bad feelings, and then... Look, I fell for the ego's trick this way, a lot! And think: twenty years of falling for this prank! And it was cyclical: it wouldn't appear for months, then soon a pattern of thought would appear again that generated feelings and so on, and then I would run to escape, get away from it or try to resolve it, do analysis, go to therapy, whatever.
And then, after I met the Master – the Master brings this vision –, I could see the unconsciousness of a complete identification with thoughts, then feelings, and it ended up generating all that disorder, all that suffering. After I realized and started to see this pattern of thought emerging, as well as feelings, staying in that experience, it ends up that today some thought may even come occasionally, but it is seen and, at the same time that it is seen, it doesn’t turn into a feeling.
So, it's amazing how I fell for the “I” prank and still do in other circumstances. I'm talking about this specific one, but it's impressive how liberating this vision is, right, Master?
MG: Yes, because what there is always, Gilson, within the experience... The fundamental element of the experience is the feeling, the emotion, the sensation, the energy of the experience. The “thought” element appears only to explain, to clarify, to strengthen, in one way or another, the continuity of experience, because all that thought wants… thought is the thinker itself! The point is this: thought is the thinker, it is the experiencer itself, and all that this experiencer, who is the thinker, wants is to maintain its continuity. So, it corroborates with the feeling, with the sensation and with the energy when it brings its story to explain, to justify, and to escape. When you eliminate this thinker, which is thought, from experience, you are eliminating the experiencer.
Notice how fascinating this is! If you eliminate the experiencer, because this Consciousness, this Attention, is present, – naturally this experiencer is being eliminated… If this experiencer is being eliminated, which is the thinker, thought is being eliminated, then this experience loses its value, and if it loses its value, its energy dissipates. And why does it dissipate, Gilson? Because it is not being fed back again! You said, “for twenty years,” Gilson. The human being spends eighty years of his life in the ego and doesn't wake up!
This work here is something unique. We are indicating to you the end of the ego! You hear this, but you cannot appreciate the beauty of it, what it represents. Folks, this is the end of suffering, this is the end of confusion, this is the end of disorder, this is the end to the life of the “I,” this is the awareness of the Reality of God taking over this body-mind. So, Gilson? Can we evaluate this?
An ego-free life is a life of absolute Intelligence, of absolute Freedom, of absolute Love, of absolute Peace. And, here, Love, Intelligence, and Peace are real! It is not the peace that we know, it is not the intelligence that we know, it is not the love that we know. What we know in the ego is mixed with a series of confusions behind it. These are mere feelings still related to negotiable situations, and we are not talking about that here.
Love out there is something negotiable, peace is negotiable. You know what I mean by that. We have love for those who love us! So, what we call love is a feeling, a sensation, a pleasure. Peace is the same thing; it is something negotiable! If there is a good negotiation, we are at peace. If we disagree, we enter into conflict. We disagree and we will fight. So, here we are talking about a free life, Gilson, a free life, a life in full Intelligence, in Freedom, where there is awareness of Truth.
This is the end of life; this is the end of death. You awakened! You are living What You Are! You are living Life! Life, as I have said, is the only purpose. It is not someone moving in some direction, it is Life in its own mysterious movement. As there is no separation between you and Life, there is only Life! This is Real Life, Gilson. This is Abundant Life. This is something far beyond anything thought can imagine. That's the beauty of these encounters: becoming aware of it.
You said, “for twenty years,” Gilson. I will repeat: human beings spend a lifetime! It's not twenty years, it's seventy, eighty... He doesn't enjoy the Beauty of Being, he doesn't enjoy his Intelligence potential, his Divine potential, the Reality of his Being, the Truth that he is, because he doesn't become aware of Truth. When you are in your Being, there are no more conflicts, no more dilemmas, no more problems, no more the affliction of the contradiction of desires, the internal contradictions so common within each of us, in this conflict between opposing desires. And all these psychological conditions of unhappiness present in the “I,” all of this disappears when there is this awareness of the Truth of your Being.
What we have stated, Gilson, is that the only thing that is necessary here is to have a real interest in That. You need to be burning for This. This has to be burning there! This has to be the only thing! If that's the only thing, It reveals itself.
The human being, in this model of conditioned thinking and egoic programming, is divided between many desires, opposing desires, desires that contradict each other. He has no real, unique interest in investigating himself, in discovering the Truth of his Being, in becoming aware of this condition. Then, there comes a moment when the human being, in his dissatisfaction – because it is in dissatisfaction that he finds himself living in the ego –, his heart opens to ask for something to be revealed.
That's interesting, Gilson. The human being is not in search of the Truth, he is in dissatisfaction looking for greater satisfaction out there. Until a moment comes when he gets tired, and when he gets tired, something happens inside him, an interest awakens within him, because he discovers that there is no way out, there is no solution to the problems. And it is clear that there is no solution to the problems! When one is resolved, another emerges. So, there is no solution to this movement of the “I.” Then, something starts to happen, which is when Grace reveals itself. That's it.
GC: Master, it is truly a very unique and indescribable work. And the one who burns, who has something burning inside for something real, this mysterious Grace ends up revealing itself, right, Master? Even within this topic, we have a question from a subscriber to the channel called “Segundo Degrau.” He asks: “What is Satsang?” Can the Master tell us a little about what it is, what these meetings are, what Satsang is?
MG: The word “Satsang” is a Sanskrit word: Sat is “being,” and Sang comes from Sangha, it comes from “encounter” or “meeting.” So, it is a word used in India for when you have the opportunity to come across the company of a Realized Being. When you have Fortune, Grace – because only Grace opens your eyes to see – then you can see and realize, in front of you, that you are in front of a Being who has realized the Truth of his own Being. And when you have the opportunity to stand before a Realized Being, you are in Satsang. Satsang means “the encounter with the Truth” or “the encounter with He or She in whom the Truth is already.” This is Satsang. So, the encounter with the investigation of the Truth, before the Truth in a human form… that is what it is generally called in India and in all parts of the world – borrowing this Sanskrit word – this kind of encounter.
For example, this is a Satsang. An opportunity for an encounter with the investigation of Truth. The difference is that Satsang is not a meeting with those who study the Truth. Some may use this word in this sense, but that is not the truth of this word. The truth of this word is the encounter with Sat, with the own Being, in which the Truth is. Then, something happens, and that something is beyond speech, beyond words. It is an investigation or a perception of Reality, of that very State of Pure Consciousness revealing itself, where you are touched by the very Consciousness of the One who lives the Truth, so, in that moment, there is a sharing of Consciousness.
Being vulnerable to this is the key. Knowing this internal disposition to apprehend, to receive, to experience this sharing, this communion with Presence itself, with Grace itself, there, in that moment, within that encounter, that is Satsang.
It is not about the intellect involved in this process. There is something beyond intellect, beyond logic, beyond reason, beyond cognition, beyond perception of senses, within Satsang. There comes a moment when something opens up and it becomes clear; something opens within us and it becomes clear that we are not facing words, we are facing the Truth, the Truth of our own Being, the Truth of What We Are. So, it's a flow, it's a verification. This we discover experientially in Satsang. So, what is Satsang? You will have to find out what Satsang is in Satsang. That's it.
GC: Gratitude, gratitude, Master. Here's the invitation, then. Here, in the first pinned comment, there is the WhatsApp group with information about the meetings, and whoever is burning in his heart to experience it, to understand – it is difficult to translate into words – what Satsang is, it is a matter of living Satsang and looking in the eyes of the Master... It is a look that says more than words, it says more than what is possible to understand, because in this sharing of Silence, of Presence, something that is outside the known is revealed, and it is amazing, it is Grace; and gratitude.
Master, we'll stick around here. For those of you watching the video, leave a “like” too, leave a comment and see you soon! Ok, Master?
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