GC: Hello everyone! We are here for another videocast. Once again, Master Gualberto is with us. Thank you very much, Master, for your presence.
Master, today I will read an excerpt from Joel Goldsmith's book called: “Awakening Mystical Consciousness.” In this book, Master, Joel makes the following comment, “The Real Truth is something not related to the mind.” Master, what is your view of what Real Truth is?
MG: Reality, Truth… it's interesting when he says it's not something related to the mind. It's interesting, because when we are in contact with What is Real, that which we are, that which is what we believe ourselves to be, is no longer present. So, what I could call Real Truth is the end of the illusion of a person in this encounter with something they call “Truth.” Reality is present when illusion is not. Any definition we have of It, any verbal, intellectual approach to It, is completely false.
When there is Reality, when there is Truth... There is only Truth, there is only Reality if This is Real; and if This is Real, nothing is known about It, nothing can be said about It. When there is Truth, Silence prevails. The presence of this Silence is pure Understanding. This is Reality, This is Truth, This is Real Truth! Reality is Real Truth, Truth is Reality. If That is present, there is no more illusion, there is no longer anyone present to say anything, to describe anything. So is this Awareness of the Reality of God.
In these meetings, I have called “the Nameless,” “the Indescribable,” this Reality, which is the Reality of God. So, God is this Real Truth, but not what thought says, not what thought frames within spiritual, philosophical, religious teachings. So, this whole description is a limitation of the intellect itself, it is the attempt of the intellect – which, in reality, is conditioned by patterns of beliefs –, trying to place or frame the Divine Reality, That which is nameless, indescribable, within a model that the intellect feels comfortable with. So, that's not true.
The Truth of That which is Real or the Reality of That which is the Truth, is present when the “I,” the ego, this conditioned intellect is no longer present. Then, all knowledge disappears, all the so-called “knowledge” disappears. We stand before That which is the Unknown, which is the Nameless, the Indescribable. That's it.
GC: Master, we have a question here from a subscriber to the channel, Marta. She asks the following question: “When we assume ourselves as we are, does everything around us disappear or take on another meaning? Is that so?
MG: No, that's not it. The present Reality is the absence of this sense of someone assuming oneself. So, when you say “when we assume ourselves” … We who? “Everything else disappears,” so what remains? If everything disappears and we assume ourselves, do we continue? Notice the statement: “Everything else disappears, because we assume ourselves.” We who?
Here, we are faced with an illusion! This is exactly the end of this “we”! When this “we,” when this “I” disappears, Reality remains, but Reality is beyond what thought can describe. So, this type of question or approach is very simplistic, it is a very complicated, very dangerous simplification, because we fall into an intellectual trap. People often use expressions like “we have to assume.” We who? What we need is to understand what this “we” is, what this “me” is, what this “I” is. Once this is present, in this Understanding, this “me,” this “I,” this “we,” disappears. When there is the Understanding of the Truth, Truth is present and illusion is gone, and illusion is exactly this “we,” this “me,” this “I.”
We cannot achieve this, Gilson, through intellect, because this intellect that we have, no matter how applied it is, no matter how sharp the blade, the capacity for logic and reasoning do not reach this Reality, because this is still within an intellect conditioned, mainly within religious, philosophical, mystical and esoteric principles. All of this has to disappear. Reality is present when we break away from the conditioned intellect.
Here, at this moment, we use speech and, to a certain extent, we can follow this in a deductive, plausible, reasonable, logical way, but this is insufficient, because we are pointing out, exactly, beyond the conditioned intellect, beyond this logic, this reasonable model of thinking so common in all of us, which is this very Cartesian thinking, which is this model within which we were trained to live.
That's why I've been very insistent on the importance of ending this conditioning, because that's when we go beyond these boundaries of intellectualism, intellectuality, and, naturally, of all knowledge, which is just a heritage of humanity's culture. This does not represent Reality, this is still within this border of the “I,” this border of the ego. Reality, Truth reveals itself in Silence, in the direct understanding of the truth of the awareness of Meditation, which is when the conditioned intellect is emptied of all its contents.
When the conditioned mind dissolves, disappears, then something reveals itself, and that something that reveals itself is the Truth. It reveals itself when there is this new space of Presence, of Consciousness, of Silence. So, the Reality of That which is Being, is not this “my being” or “your being,” it is the Reality of Being! This is not mine, it is not yours, nor is it ours. It is the Divine Reality, beyond this condition of identity, of a person, living in time and space as someone separate from others, from life. So, we are talking about something that is of another order, something that is outside the conditioned mind and the conditioned model that we know. Therefore, the true way of such approach is through the revelation of Self-awareness.
See, Gilson, here, this Self-awareness is not the self-awareness of psychology or philosophy. This is Divine Self-Awareness; it is Supreme Self-Awareness! This Supreme Self-Awareness reveals itself when there is an emptying of this sense, this pattern of being someone, of egoic identity, something formed in time and sustained in a time that thought knows very well. In fact, a time that thought has constructed. So, the Reality of Wisdom is the Reality of your Being. If This is present, this “your Being'' is not someone's being, it is not our being; it is Divine Reality! That´s it.
GC: Master, I remember that, in this approach, when I started this work with the Master, naturally, within this conditioning, the Master was talking and I was trying to link it with things that I already knew from this author, from that author. In other words, as the Master said, I was intellectualizing and wanting to understand what the Master was saying. However, later, maintaining this proximity to this work, participating in Satsang meetings, both online and in person, soon this activity of wanting to fit into what the Master says, understanding what the Master says, began to diminish, because, in in reality, the Master talks a lot, but this Silence that the Master lives... There are moments when this Silence is very clear, there is something unique. And then there are moments of Understanding the Truth that is beyond words, this Reality. Can the Master tell us a little about this, about wanting to intellectualize this Truth?
MG: Our greatest inclination, Gilson, within this model of the world in which we were educated, is the attempt to adjust within a plausible, reasonable logic, what is here beyond the intellect. So, that's the difficulty. This encounter with the Reality of this Being, which is the Divine Truth that we bring, is not within this pattern, which is the mental pattern, which is the pattern of the intellect, which is the pattern of the known, which is the pattern of this conditioning model of human history. Truth is what reveals itself when there is Silence.
Gilson, we need Silence for Understanding. Understanding is born from Silence, but it is not from the silence of the absence of sound, it is from the Silence that is beyond sound and silence. We are talking about this Silence of the absence of this conditioning movement, exactly, of the intellect. Notice that every moment of Understanding, when it arrives, there are no more questions, because Silence is present. Observe this in yourself: in the moment of Silence, there is no answer and there is no question. There is an Understanding, but outside of the intellect, outside of the need for explanation, for conclusion, for passing it on, for passing it on to others, for teaching… There is none of this when the Silence of Understanding is present. It is this Silence that reveals Truth. This Silence is present when we approach Truth, the Flourishing of Meditation, which is the Awareness of this Being, which is the Awareness of God. OK?
GC: Master, on this subject of meditation, can the Master talk a little about how to meditate? What is this Real Meditation?
MG: Ok. Meditation is the presence of the absence of a center, of an entity, within a given experience. When we are in an experience, we have the center of the experience. So, there is the experience and there is the center of that experience, the basis around which the experience is happening; this is the center, as I have called it. This center of experience, when it is present, between this center and experience, we have a distance. This distance occurs because there is a separation between the center and the experience. So, what is Meditation? It is the Reality of That which is present, without this center.
This is why the Truth of Meditation is not possible with someone in the practice of meditation, because that “someone” is the meditator, and the meditator is the center, while meditation is the periphery. Meditation is the experience and the center is the meditator. So, what is Meditation? It is the awareness of Reality without this “I,” without this meditator. This is Meditation! Meditation is present when there is no one who meditates. Meditation is present when a Reality that is beyond the known reveals itself. This is Meditation.
So, look: it's not about someone meditating, it's not about someone having an experience, it's not about a center around which experience happens. It is exactly the Reality of That which is present when the “I,” the meditator or this center is no longer present. So, we cannot put into words what Meditation is; we can investigate what Meditation is not. For example: what is not Meditation? It is seeing yourself as being, for example, someone thinking, feeling, acting, doing, speaking, listening. When there is this feeling, we have duality, separation. This separation is, exactly, the absence of Meditation, because separation is between a center and an experience.
When people want a technique or a practice, the only thing I have to say to them is that it is not a technique or practice that the person needs, because the person receiving a technique or a practice, from then on, one is the center, and the technique or practice is the periphery, it is the experience. When you practice meditation, you are looking for a mechanical result, because the practice is mechanical, there is someone involved in the practice. Practice is experience and the one who practices is the center. This is not Meditation. What I can tell people about Meditation is that they discover what Meditation is when the sense of “I” is not present in this moment and Silence takes its place. So, the experiencer and experience are not left, the meditator is not left meditating, the practitioner is not left in practice. That which is present is outside the “I,” it is outside the center, it is outside the ego.
So, what I've been saying to people is: pay attention to this moment, to every thought, feeling, emotion, sensation, perception... But paying attention is just looking at what's here, because any intention to do something with that thinking, with this feeling, emotion or sensation, is already placing the sense of duality present, where there is the observer and the thing observed, where there is thought and the thinker, where there is the feeling and the one who feels, where there is the experience and the one who experiences it. So, the true approach, Gilson, to Meditation, is in this attention. And attention is something simple: just look.
The difficulty here is that, as a matter of addiction, we are so used to intervening, interfering in the experience, from that center, which is the observer, the experiencer, that we are unaware of the beauty of Meditation, but Meditation is the awareness of looking without the “I” at whatever is emerging here, in this moment. So, for example, in these meetings, our work together, here, is to show you that it is possible to just listen, without “someone” who agrees, who disagrees, who accepts, who rejects, and soon something happens.
When listening to a speech like this, this very listening, without “someone” listening, is direct listening, so Meditation is present here. It's just not present when thought comes in to say “I agree,” “no, I don't agree with that,” “no, that's not how it is,” “ah, but I learned another way.” When we are searching for something in the background of memory, of all the information we have, to evaluate, compare, accept or reject a speech like this, for example, this is the absence of Meditation.
I have been telling people that Meditation is here and now; It doesn't require crossed legs, it doesn't require a specific place, it just requires that look, that attention, free from a center, free from that sense of someone to do something with this moment, with this instant. So, whatever is occurring now, here in this moment, can be experienced from this looking without the observer, can be felt without “someone” in that feeling, can be heard without “someone” in that listening.
So, Meditation is here, it is in this instant, it is now, regardless of what you are doing: you are talking to someone, you are taking the child to school, you are working... At the same time, you are aware of your reactions, just becoming aware of these reactions, without getting confused with them, placing an experiencer in them, an observer in them, a sensor, which is the one who judges, evaluates, criticizes, accepts, rejects. Meditation, Gilson, is the most valuable art in life, it is the most important thing in our lives. This requires a dedicated heart for this direct Understanding to flourish. That´s it.
GC: Master, but meditation practice is very widespread. Before meeting the Master, I myself had been practicing for years, and then, instead of paying this attention every moment, as the Master says, I separated it into certain moments during the day. So, early in the morning, I meditated, in the middle of the day, at night, before going to sleep… Even when I had uncomfortable situations, as I already mentioned in another videocast. I'm a father... when the children were playing, fighting or making a mess, I would say, “Oh, dad is going to meditate!”, and I would run to my little room, lock myself in the little room, then I would close my eyes, sit down… And a detail: as it was a practice, and I had to practice, because it was my duty to practice…For example, on the days when I didn't wake up early to meditate, I was left with the guilt process, the day didn't flow... And then, after meeting the Master, it was Grace, because in the first video I saw of the Master … In fact, there is a playlist on Master Gualberto channel, there is a playlist talking about Real Meditation. I listened to that entire playlist and never practiced meditation again. And then, I started to follow the Master's work and, especially, in the intensive meetings, which are the Satsangs, the Master ends up, in this sharing of Presence, giving us these moments of Real Meditation, and we are able, in fact, to understand what is this Real Meditation, this attention on this movement of thoughts, feelings.
MG: Meditation, Gilson, is our Natural State of Being. We don't learn this from someone, we don't need to learn it from someone. This is a discovery; this is a finding! When there is a real interest in understanding the entire process of this thinking and feeling of this “I,” when we just become aware of the basics – which is the understanding that we are, as people, little creatures conditioned within a model of feeling and thinking, trapped in a psychological conditioning of human culture – when we simply have access to this, the importance of learning to look at this movement becomes clear. As this is something natural, it only requires the interest of looking and not intervening.
So, we don't learn the Art of Meditation from someone, we observe and discover, flourishing from within ourselves, out of the real interest of going beyond this model of psychological conditioning, of human history, of human creatures, trapped in this condition, naturally, of ignorance. That is why it is processed in a natural way, within Satsang, because it is naturally our State of Being. A speech like this facilitates, the power of this Presence here, within an encounter like this, facilitates this Natural State, which is Meditation, flourishing from within each one of us, in a very spontaneous, very simple, very direct way. Now, it is clear that this requires a hearty, true, genuine approach, a deep approach, for this to happen, for this to take place. OK?
GC: Master, gratitude, our time has already ended. For those of you watching the video: leave a “like,” add a comment with any questions. And also, mainly, for you to whom what the Master is pointing out here in the videos makes sense, in the first comment, pinned, there will be the link to the WhatsApp group with information about these meetings, these Satsangs. There are online meetings and also in-person meetings; and in these meetings, it is possible to understand and perceive something beyond what is being said by the Master, so it is a blessing.
Master, gratitude.
MG: Okay, Gilson.
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