GC: Hello everyone! We're here for another videocast! Once again Marcos Gualberto gave us the opportunity to be here with us to answer questions, to comment on excerpts from Joel’s books that we bring here. Gratitude, Marcos, for this opportunity!
For those who don't know Marcos Gualberto, or Master Gualberto, I'll quickly talk about how I met him. I've been on a spiritual quest for many years and for the last few years I've focused on studying Joel Goldsmith, including doing readings for the channel. In the middle of last year, something very strong inside made me move away, both here from the “Luz do Despertar” channel and also from the study groups. I didn't understand why, but soon later I found out.
YouTube suggested a video from Master Gualberto’s channel, which deals with exactly the same theme that Joel brings us in the books – which is this Awakening of Consciousness, Spiritual Enlightenment –, and then I watched a video. Something very strong called me to watch another video and another video… I ended up discovering that there were intensive weekend face-to-face and online meetings. And since I felt something very strong when I looked into Master Gualberto’s eyes, I ended up participating in the intensive meeting – out of curiosity and also to “understand” this, which had called my attention.
And then, during the meeting, I was able to “understand” what I felt when I looked into Master Gualberto’s eyes. Because, when being in his presence, there is something that is beyond words, beyond thoughts, which is a sharing of Consciousness, where we end up receiving this State of Meditation, this Stillness, this Silence, and it is true Grace.
Master Gualberto shares on his channel this Natural State of Being that he “reached” after a long process of self-investigation, guided by his Master Ramana. And today, he shares with us and is willing to let this infinite Grace flow. And it’s pure Grace, it’s a lot of gratitude, Master, for this beautiful work that “you do,” because there is no longer a “you,” there is no longer this “illusory identity,” this “I.”
And this is the content that you bring us, which is content that is to remove all the contents, so that we can really go beyond beliefs, beyond thoughts.
And starting with today’s videocast, I want to bring an excerpt from Joel’s book “Practicing the Presence,” where Joel brings us the following sentence: “He who turns inward in search of the inner light, of grace, understanding and forgiveness never fails in his prayers.”
Added to this, Master, I would like to read a comment by Maria do Socorro da Silva, in which she suggests that Master Gualberto talk about forgiveness. She comments that forgiveness brings a lot of suffering, as it is something very difficult, and she is grateful. So, I give you the word, Master!
MG: Okay. So, let’s go! There are two subjects here: one is the subject of the search, of this inner search, of turning inward in this search; and the other is the question of forgiveness. Let’s approach it this way… The question I want to ask you is this: are you a seeker? If you are a seeker, who in you is the one in the search process? The answer is very simple. The answer is: “me.” It is this “I” that is within this search or this quest.
This may seem quite reasonable, because this restlessness, this internal contradiction, this format of suffering, of life, where there is always a lack of something, places us within this so-called “search” or “quest.”
And, here, Joel refers to this quest and this “turning inward.” But I keep asking: who is this that is on this quest?
It is the one who is afflicted, the one who is in pain, the one who is feeling restless, dissatisfied. So, he’s on a search, he’s on a quest.
Let’s get closer to that. This “I,” in its restlessness, in its search, projects something that will be the end of this restlessness, the end of this conflict, the end of this suffering, in this encounter with God. But this “God” that it idealizes is still within its search, within its concept of who God is and what God will represent when this search comes to fruition.
Here, we must have a different way of looking at this question of search.
This search is an idea, it is a projection, it is our ideation. We are in search of something and, in this search for something, we present a discipline and a path format to follow, so that, at the end of this path, at the end of this discipline, we can accomplish the end of this search, which here, in this case, is this encounter with God.
Here, I have news for you: the Reality of God, the Divine Truth, is something that is already present, and this quest is a quest that we idealize within our parameters, within our own model of what God would be and what that encounter would be like.
Those who have realized the Truth of their own Being are always telling us that this Truth is a present thing. If it is something present, this whole search format, this whole path engendered by ourselves within this search, is something completely useless. This ends up putting us in a constant movement, in fact; not of approach but of distancing, since the Truth of God is something that is already present. So, what do we really need to carry out this search?
What I am going to say is quite paradoxical, but what we need to achieve the end of this search is to leave the search and enter the investigation of the Truth that is already present. So, I would say that the real quest begins when the illusory quest ends. This illusory search is the search of this “I” for something that it idealizes, that it projects and that it considers to be God. Note: this is part of our ideas, it is part of our beliefs! Looking into the Truth of Your Being… Here, Joel uses the expression “going within” – this is clearly figurative language. Within what we have been placing in these encounters is to become aware of yourself here and now. That’s getting closer to yourself, that’s looking inside.
The Truth of God, the Truth of your Being, is already present. All you really need is to drop the illusion of this “I” in this search, in this quest. If we want to have an encounter with God, we first need to be aware that the Truth is That which is already here, and we can be aware of that through a direct approach within that self-observation. When we observe the movement of the “I,” we become aware of the conflict, the contradiction, the problems it creates. And that “I” is not the Truth about your Being. It is what passes as You here and now, in this moment, occupying that Place, which is the Place of God.
So, the Truth of God is something present. All you need is to become aware of the illusion of this “I” that you are confused with.
So, the true search for God is the end of any search idealized by thought. I have always spoken of the importance of this Realization of the Reality of God. It is not a question of a search, it is not a question of a quest, it is not a question of projecting yourself in time to accomplish That at some point, but of becoming aware of That which is already here and now. Through a work of True Self-awareness and through the investigation of this illusory “I,” this True Self-awareness becomes possible. It is when mind and heart become still and illusion can be seen; and the illusion is this false “I.”
When this false “I,” which passes for You, for your Divine Reality, is discarded, the Reality of God is present.
Another interesting thing connected to this issue of this encounter – in fact, of this God Realization; not this encounter at the end of a search, but this realization of God here and now, in this discarding of the “I” – is this issue of forgiveness. We have a very wrong notion about who we are, about who the other is and about who God is. So, the sense of a present “I” has the psychological need to forgive the other who offended him.
First, he is offended and then he forgives. He forgives to feel good about himself. Even because, if he has a foundation of religious life, he discovered that he needs to forgive.
We just never ask ourselves: who is this that forgives whom? It is the sense of a present “I” that is hurt, offended, injured, that has had its self-image affected by verbal insults or by some type of violent action on the part of the other; it is this “me,” this “I,” this ego, which proposes to forgive in order to feel good about itself and to have a recovered image of itself.
So, it is always the sense of an “I” present in this idea of forgiveness. An offended “I,” a wounded “I,” a hurt “I.” That’s because we don't know who we are, nor do we know who the other is, nor do we know the Reality of God.
The truth is that when the sense of an “I” is not present, there is no “other” to be offended or to offend us; “another” to be our enemy or to be our friend.
What is present is the Reality of God, which is our own Being, which was verified in that encounter; not in this search of many years, but in this encounter, through self-observation, in Self-awareness, in the real contact with True Meditation.
This Reality of God verified here is the Reality of the other, it is the Reality of God. So, who is left to forgive whom? Who stays to be offended, to be hurt? So, I want to invite you to discover the Truth of God here and now, in That which is You. This is possible when there is no longer the seeker, the sense of “someone” in time looking for something called “God.” The end of this sense of “I” is this encounter. In this encounter, there is no longer “someone” now present to be offended by the “other” and to suffer with the “other,” because there is no longer the “other.”
The truth, Gilson, is that there is, yes, this very real possibility of living the Reality of Consciousness. In that Reality of Consciousness, which is the Truth of Christ, neither friends nor enemies remain; there is no forgiveness seven times nor seventy times. What remains present is the Truth of “I and the Father are one.” When there is this Reality of “I and the Father are one,” which is the Truth of that Consciousness, which is the Father – because if the Father is there, there is no “I,” and if the Father is there, there is no one to forgive –, That is the presence of Love.
People use the expression “love” without understanding what that expression means. They use the expression “forgiveness” without understanding that, in that expression, there is “someone” to forgive. When there is Love, there is no other for you to give yourself to, for you to give yourself to. There is only one present Reality, which is the Reality of God. This Reality of God does not have an image to be hurt, offended, injured, to suffer harm, to keep images, memories, to feel anguished, sad, angry at the other. So, that which is present when Love is present, is Love.
Love, the only thing it does is give Itself. So, in that sense, Real Forgiveness is the end of someone’s illusion to forgive someone else.
So, let’s replace the word “forgiveness” with the word “Love,” and that word “love” with the word “Presence,” “Awareness.” So, we are facing the Reality of God, which has no enemies, has no friends, has no one who can hurt Him, offend Him, injure Him. This is typical of this “me,” this “ego.” It is the one who lives within this model of being hurt, injured, being angry, keeping it all and then trying to get rid of it all to feel good about itself. Especially if it is based on religious teachings, principles within religion.
True Religion, or true Union with the Divine, is the end of the ego. This is Love, This is Real Forgiveness, without “someone.” This is Real Compassion, without “someone.” This is Real Goodness, without “someone.” This sounds very strange to some of us, but in fact, without the ego, problems disappear, the sufferer disappears, friend and enemy disappear, the offended one and the offender also disappear. What is present is God and God is the only Reality of Love. That’s it!
GC: Look, Master… these speeches by the Master are indescribable, this State of Presence is without words, they are revolutionary. I've been following Master for many months now and, in the beginning, I didn't even realize how much your speeches are completely out of time, out of any idea of duality. And the closer I get and I am with you, I see how this is much more than a concept, this concept of non-duality, or this concept of “just Consciousness.” And then I see how extraordinary, how revolutionary all these speeches are.
Of course, for this present identity, for this human “I” Gilson, this ego, in search of… That is, it has nothing to seek, it has nothing to achieve. This one who wants to achieve, this one who wants to attain – even “attaining” God Realization or Spiritual Enlightenment – is a fraud! As Master rightly said: it is someone in time, an identity wanting to become something, and this is not the path. It’s just seeing this falsehood, isn't it, Master?
MG: Yes! There is nothing like someone to become anything, least of all God! That “someone” is an idea, a concept, a belief, it is an illusion. It is this “someone” that is grounded in self-image – this image produced by thought, sustained by thought – and everything that involves this self-image built in time, in history, for this supposed identity.
This “I” is a supposedly present identity! What is this “I” looking for? God. What is this “I” looking for? Forgiveness. It wants to forgive, it wants to love, it wants... but it’s not real! Here, we have to start from a real principle, and the real principle is: there is only God!
In that Reality of which there is only God, there is no “I” that separates itself as friend, enemy, that separates itself as offender and offended, that separates itself as the holy and the profane, the one in God and the one outside of God.… There is nothing, absolutely nothing like this.
This present sense of the “I” is a fraud, it is an illusion, it is a concept with which the “I,” which is this set of images, has established itself over time. So, this “I,” which is this set of images that we believe ourselves to be, that uses this pronoun “I,” is the one that is coming from the past, is here in the present and moving towards the future. And in that movement, it wants to become, it wants to achieve, it wants to reach somewhere, and the supreme place for the “I” is still Spiritual Enlightenment.
The truth is that the Awakening of Consciousness or Spiritual Enlightenment or God Realization is the Truth when the “I” is not. And when That is present, which is the “not me,” this psychological time, this “becoming someone,” this “forgiving someone” or this “seek forgiveness” does not remain. All this disappears when the Reality of your Being flourishes! That Reality is Non-Separation, Non-Duality. It’s not a concept, it’s not an idea, it’s a fact! It is a fact; we are dealing with a fact: the truth that everything is within this Divine Reality.
And all aspects apparently outside of It are within a dream, which is the dream that this very illusory identity is producing, being the dreamer of it all: someone to love, someone to forgive, someone as a friend, someone as an enemy, someone good, someone bad, someone being born, someone growing old, someone dying... All of this is within that aspect of that illusory mind, within that dream – I have called it the “world dream” –, for that dreamer who, in fact, does not exist. That’s it! I know it’s pretty weird...
GC: Master, we even commented in some previous videocasts about the issue of belief. Because these concepts “there is only God,” “I am an illusion” … the ego itself, as the Master said in that videocast, the ego takes possession of these concepts, for example: “there is only God,” “I know that everything is God,” and it keeps repeating this concept… and, again, it gets into this prank, holding on to the concept, instead of investigating who is repeating this, who is saying this, or mentalizing this. And this false “I,” this false identity, ends up perpetuating itself, clinging to beliefs. For example, a belief – which is not a fact, because one does not experience it, but one has the belief – “there is only God, Non-Duality,” “what exists is Oneness”… and one does not investigate.
MG: Now you've touched on an important point. You lack direct experience of It. It is necessary to directly experience the Truth that Reality is God. Then, this is a fact! Experiencing the Reality that there is no “me” is enough! Because if you become aware of the movement of the “I,” totally aware of it, here and now – and this has to be done here and now – that is experiential, that is experiential! This is directly experiencing that there is no “I.” That’s when you can become aware that there is only God. Because if the sense of the “I” disappears, the “other” also disappears, the world as it is seen disappears.
So, that look that remains there is the gaze of God for God. This hearing that remains is the hearing of God for God. That sounds really weird, but it’s literal! There is only God present, even in this body-mind, in this dream of the world! Because now – God present – this is His dream! It is not the dream of the illusion of “me” seeing things out of place and trying to fix things, and trying to love, and trying to serve, and trying to forgive, and trying this, and trying that, and also trying to find God.
All of that disappears when God is the only Reality here and now, in that listening, in that speaking, in that look, in that feeling.
And He certainly doesn't carry that weight of an “I” with an image produced by thought to be offended, hurt and to be still in the process of looking for something outside of himself.
That´s it!
GC: Master, the end of our time is coming. Thanks again for your willingness to be here with us. For those of you who have been following the meetings, we have a playlist with the other meetings. We also ask you to help the channel by giving a “like.” For those who are not yet subscribed to both the Luz Despertar channel and Master Gualberto’s channel, sign up to receive notifications of the videos that are posted daily. And also make comments. The comment helps YouTube’s own algorithm to recognize that the content is relevant.
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Gratitude, Master!
Gratitude!
MG: Okay, Gilson. Thanks for the meeting! Bye guys! See you next.
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